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Originally posted by Transmotion And now tell me that schizophrenia is a serious mental illness.

I honestly feel that it is a serious disease.

A person who hears voices, or sees things that are not there has a serious problem. This has a severe impact on their lives and others.

And loca, there are drugs that can help a person with schizophrenia control the hallucinations and the effects of the disease, but these drugs do not always help, and do not always help all of the ailments. I know one of them is called "Diazepam", my relative takes this, but it does not help with the anxiety and the paranoia. Do I think they should have control over a child? As much as I love them... no.

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Originally posted by loca Totally agree with this too. Some people develop these illnesses later in life, what if a woman suddenly develops some mental illness while pregnant? Should she not be allowed to have the child?

If she is unable to maintain her own mental stability, I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Theresa If she is unable to maintain her own mental stability, I don't think so.

But how could you be sure of that before the proper medication has been given? It may take a little time before her doctor decides on the correct one. In the mean time, is she supposed to get rid of the child "just in case"? Damn it, who said it was okay to play God and decide who gets to have kids and who doesn't?

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Originally posted by loca But how could you be sure of that before the proper medication has been given? It may take a little time before her doctor decides on the correct one. In the mean time, is she supposed to get rid of the child "just in case"? Damn it, who said it was okay to play God and decide who gets to have kids and who doesn't?

In the meantime though, is it fair to a child at such a young age (the most influential and important years of your life by the way,) to be subjected to someone who is clearly unsound?

EDIT: Might I add that a lot of the drugs used to help people with such diseases have bad side effects, which can also affect a child.

Theresa, what if one day they spread this thinking to physically disabled as well? Or to people who have cancer or other diseases which may end their life prematurely? Since the precedent is already in place it would be much easier to prevent someone with cancer from having kids.

And who should be the ones to decide who can reproduce? The government? I dont even trust them with my money let alone my NATURAL GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.

Who are we to judge who is fit and who isnt?

I once again say that you can have your hitler germany but i want no part of it.

I find the very idea highly offensive, especially since i once had a physically handicapped brother. Id be damned if anyone told him what he could or could not do when it comes to child bearing.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by Theresa In the meantime though, is it fair to a child at such a young age (the most influential and important years of your life by the way,) to be subjected to someone who is clearly unsound? EDIT: Might I add that a lot of the drugs used to help people with such diseases have bad side effects, which can also affect a child.

well then thats it, millions of welfare women should also have their tubes tied. It would be unfair for the kid otherwise since stats show that low income families have a higher rate of abuse.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Theresa, what if one day they spread this thinking to physically disabled as well? Or to people who have cancer or other diseases which may end their life prematurely? Since the precedent is already in place it would be much easier to prevent someone with cancer from having kids. And who should be the ones to decide who can reproduce? The government? I dont even trust them with my money let alone my NATURAL GOD GIVEN RIGHTS. Who are we to judge who is fit and who isnt? I once again say that you can have your hitler germany but i want no part of it. I find the very idea highly offensive, especially since i once had a physically handicapped brother. Id be damned if anyone told him what he could or could not do when it comes to child bearing.

Alright, I understand where you are coming from, and like I said, I am on the fence when it comes to this.

However, I do not think it fair to leave a helpless child with someone who is unsound, without any other option. A lot of the time, the kids don't even realize that "mommy" or "daddy" is any different, and they develop some very hindering attributes to their personalities. Once they find out, it can also be a very damaging experience.

In the end, my concern is more for the child, not so much the parent.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 well then thats it, millions of welfare women should also have their tubes tied. It would be unfair for the kid otherwise since stats show that low income families have a higher rate of abuse.

There is a very clear difference between the situations.

A "high rate of abuse" isn't gauranteed compared to a definite disabilty to the parents capacity to raise a child if mentally handicapped.

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Originally posted by Theresa In the meantime though, is it fair to a child at such a young age (the most influential and important years of your life by the way,) to be subjected to someone who is clearly unsound? EDIT: Might I add that a lot of the drugs used to help people with such diseases have bad side effects, which can also affect a child.

Unless she was a single mother with no family whatsoever, then i think it's absolutely fine. A person who has the mental illnesses you talk about is not _constantly_ under the influence of that illness, and if they are they would not be free in society.

As for the side effects on the child, i highly doubt the doctors treat pregnant mothers with those drugs. And after the child is born i don't see how the drug would have a side effect on them, as i'm pretty sure breast feeding is not recommended either.

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Very few people should be allowed to have children....forget whether they are physically or mentally challenged.

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If any people decide to have kids who are not capable of providing care for their offsprings, the society shouldn't be burdened to end up taking care of them.

It's a gross negligence and I don't think the society should pay for other people's mistakes.

Look towards relatives or charities to provide support, but not the society. I'm not saying mentally handicapped people shouldn't have kids, but they shouldn't expect the society to take care of their mistakes.

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