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Originally posted by Omega_Blue Excellent answer! the only difference is that the man who is thrown out of the window is forced to do so by some force external to himself (the dude throwing him out) the action of the man who throws himself out of the window is determined by internal forces (with remote external causes) see guys? determinism is fun.

Determinism sounds a lot like Satanism.

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel i'm not going to get into why i believe in god, i think that's a bit beyond the point. Maybe you are taking words in the bible too literally? Do you think that god really created the world in 7 days? Or do you assume that there were 24 hours in a day for god or maybe for god 1 day lasted 1 000 000 years in our time.

hey, that's cool, i respect that.

the bible says God created the world in 7 days. No, it didn't determine how long a day was. Maybe days were 100000000 years, i dunno. that's God's call. The thing is, if you believe in God, it means that God can do ANYTHING. we can't even comprehend all the shit he can do. Shit, we can't even look at his true form without dying (examp. the burning bush).

Soooooo, maybe it did take 1000000 years because God commanded, "let 1 day = 10000000 years." technically, God created time. which, and i never thought about this until just now, would make the whole 7 day thing moot. Unless God determined what "time" was before he created the erf, how do we really know it took seven days? the whole seven days a week, 4 weeks a month, 12 months etc etc is a human notion. what does that tell you about God?

here's the point I was trying to get at.

Say there was no heaven or hell. there's just God. and he tells you to believe in him through the bible. If there is no hell, why believe in God? let me rephrase- if there is no consequence for NOT believing in God, why believe in him?

well perhaps it would be like believing in god because he's your good buddy and you like him, instead of being god fearing and obeying god because you're afraid to go to hell?

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Originally posted by jennypie Determinism sounds a lot like Satanism.

why? i'm not familiar with satanism

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel well perhaps it would be like believing in god because he's your good buddy and you like him, instead of being god fearing and obeying god because you're afraid to go to hell?

possibly, sure.. i don't see why not. all i'm saying is that's a huge problem for me with believing in God. you see so many people having these "near-death" experiences or... they're ex-crackhead's who lost their jobs or something... and then all of a sudden, BAM! they're christians. I think that's bullshit. It's like they use christianity as a crutch... "just in case" type shit. "just in case" i die tomorrow, I wanna make sure I don't rot in hell. but that's not really faith, now, is it?

another thing, this is called divine command theory- and forgive me if i'm starting to get incoherent... it's 3am and i just popped a couple oxycodones

Okay... where does morality come from? most christians say, God says what is good. God's commands are good.

soo....

God is good.
God's commands are good.

now swap out the definition of God's commands and you get this

God is what God commands.


think about that. It's called an "empty truism."

it means, if God commands what is good, then God could've commanded otherwise. For example, God says it is bad to torture babies. But if God said, "it's okay to torture babies" then what now? God's commands are now pointless, because it could've been otherwise.

OR... if God is good himself... then that means there are outside factors that determined whether God is good or not. Morality is independent of God.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue why? i'm not familiar with satanism

Because Satanism has a justification for everything. The outcome is that it eliminates wrong-doing. As in, nothing you do will ever *really* be bad....so go ahead and induldge in everything! In fact, you're ENTITLED to the right to do so!! SIN! SIN! SIN!


www.churchofsatan.com

edit:^^read especially the 9 Satanic sins and the 11 Satanic rules of Earth.

edit2: ah Hell, just read the whole theory/practice section.

It's been a long time since I've been to that site.

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I believe in God cause I wiped on a motorcycle 7 1/2 years ago while doing 105MPH on the highway, while only wearing no helmet, a t-shirt, jeans & airwalk shoes that had the laces tucked & I got up after rolling over a 1/4 mile.


Plus all the pieces from my bike hit my buddys bike that was about 125 feet behind me & he didnt wipe, only ended up with scratched fairings & a cracked headlight. He didnt wipe & he was a shitty rider.

I didnt break a single bone, but had severe road rash, including missing palms, fingertips, parts of my chest, arms & legs with skin. But that mostly healed.



So thats why I believe in God.

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Originally posted by jennypie Because Satanism has a justification for everything. The outcome is that it eliminates wrong-doing. As in, nothing you do will ever *really* be bad....so go ahead and induldge in everything! In fact, you're ENTITLED to the right to do so!! SIN! SIN! SIN! www.churchofsatan.com edit:^^read especially the 9 Satanic sins and the 11 Satanic rules of Earth.

i feel immoral for reading this... where the hell did you get that link? (if i end up converting to satanism, i'm blaming you)

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9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

I gotta agree with this, though

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5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

i think i'm getting the mating signal from you...




bedtime i think...

ehh, I'm the lost.. but srsly, if somebody took money out of my wallet without asking I'd throw him a beating. just saying

You know you're a crackhead when buying pot leaves behind a papertrail LMAO

btw, BTG you should hyperlink ur "sig"

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Originally posted by dbb I fucking hate philosophy. I have no idea why that pointless crap is obligatory. I'm going to be an economist or physicist, not a fucking weed smoking dick, poundering the question of whether an apple can think or not.

good for you, poindexter

I like to hear the apple scream as I bite into it.