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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Jesus Christ! What the hell is Islams?!?! News flash: Islam = a religion Muslims = followers of Islam

Hahahaha, thanks for clearing that up. That was totally my bad. From now on I'll just say "Muslims." Sorry about the confusion.

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Wait a fuckin' minute here. If you advocate such over simplistic and asinine logic, the West is respobsible (maily the US and UK) for far more bloodshed, economic opression and imperialist behaviour, which Western leaders have virtually never been held accountable for. Does that mean we should blame all white people and put them under surveilance and breach their civil liberties and rights?

Well, you can wait a fuckin' minute Miss Tracy Tangent. I wasn't talking about the West now was I? I was talking about Muslims. Don't build up a fake counter-argument and then tear it down. Let's stick to the topic of the Muslims who blow themselves up, not other bad people in the world. I never said anything about the West being good or bad. Either way, let's not use the West as justification to permit Muslims to blow themselves up.

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Nonsense. Every person with two braincells and a familiarity with history has no reason to trust the Goverment or give them unecessary powers which it can and does easily abuse.

I don't trust the government, but I don't trust Muslims even more. So I prefer spying.

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The only uncivilized bigot here is you.

What are you replying to? Huh? Are you replying to an isolated statement made by me? Huh? Oh, you were replying to this statement by me: "So no, my statement isn’t ignorant, but it sure does cater to a broad area full of barbaric people."

Brilliant. Simply brilliant. You took my last sentence out of an entire segment, and discredited it by attacking myself rather than my argument. It's so solid I almost forgot that you completely degraded the conversation down to a personal attack.

Here, let me point you back into the direction of the argument by restating in context what I said that led you to call me a bigot, this time in bold (so that maybe, just maybe, you'll see it).

"Ignorant broad generalization? What...that the Middle East hates the US, Jews, gays and women? You're so right. How could I be so blind?

Only HALF of the Middle East hates women. The other half ARE the women who are slaved by the men.

Only ALL Middle Eastern countries except Israel (and Turkey if you count them) hates the Jews and imposes restrictions on their rights, communication and property ownerships.

Being gay is ILLEGAL in EVERY Middle Eastern country (except for Israel, Jordan and maybe Iraq). If you are caught being gay in Bahrain, Iran*, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia*, Syria, United Arab Emirates*, or Yemen*, you will be sent to jail, or killed*.

So no, my statement isn’t ignorant, but it sure does cater to a broad area full of barbaric people."

It looks to me as though not myself, but rather the Middle East is an entirely bigoted section of the world (and don't take this sentence out of context or I'll beat you with my spatula).

why are you taking it as far as "why dont they just throw them into camps", its the same as checking heat coming from houses to find grow ops. i never heard anyone complaining about invasion of privacy and so on about this type of operations. personaly id be more than happy if they did that to every religious temples if i were going to one, cuz i dont wanna be in danger when im going praying.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Let's see if there are any other groups of people blowing themselves up... Are Jews? No. Are Asians? No. Are Christians? No. Are limp wristed flaming homosexuals? No.

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The web site of the Haredi radio station Kol-Chai claimed that the terrorist was dressed up as a Haredi Jew. "Ultra-Orthodox people look at the clothes, how was it possible for passengers not to spot him," wondered a Haredi activist. An ultra-Orthodox journalist said that "newly religious often visit the Western Wall, it's the natural place for these people." http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/p...=1&contrassID=2

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Suicide bomber strikes on bus, injuring 31 By Hu Meidong and Li Dapeng (China Daily) Updated: 2005-08-09 05:50 FUZHOU: A suicide bomber blew himself up on a bus in central Fuzhou yesterday, killing himself and injuring 31 others, local police said. http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/engli...tent_467358.htm

"Christians" and "limp wristed flaming homosexuals" are in Iraq blowing stuff up. What exactly they are blowing up? Who knows since it's a media blackout of sorts.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 "Christians" and "limp wristed flaming homosexuals" are in Iraq blowing stuff up. What exactly they are blowing up? Who knows since it's a media blackout of sorts.

Like I've said, Christians and homosexuals have yet to blow themselves up. I think it's sad and mostly pointless that America is taking over Iraq and I don't agree with most of it. But the Christians and gays are not trying to hide with no particular target, waiting to detonate themselves in the middle of public specifically to harm anyone (note: keyword --> anyone) in their path.

As for your links, someone who dresses like a Jew (i.e. disguise) does not mean they are a Jew. But that's a good point about Muslims dressing up as Jews in order to penetrate more sensitive areas. Maybe Jews in Israel might have to get screened now?

Also, the Asian who blew himself up in China was a result of his illness and avoiding jail time. It's an isolated event not linked to the Muslim suicide bombers' cause. The Asian guy died because he thought his life was shitty (poor and suffering from lung cancer), not because he was supporting a cult belief shared by thousands of others who follow Islam. Moreover, an Asian guy blowing himself up in China is not enough to persuade Americans to think that all Asians in America are under suspicion of doing the same.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson As for your links, someone who dresses like a Jew (i.e. disguise) does not mean they are a Jew. But that's a good point about Muslims dressing up as Jews in order to penetrate more sensitive areas. Maybe Jews in Israel might have to get screened now? Also, the Asian who blew himself up in China was a result of his illness and avoiding jail time. It's an isolated event not linked to the Muslim suicide bombers' cause.

No, really? It was just a pathetic attempt on that kid's part to prove that your poiint was invalid. And ogvh5150, you failed.

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Originally posted by b|azed i applaud the american government

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Like I've said, Christians and homosexuals have yet to blow themselves up. I think it's sad and mostly pointless that America is taking over Iraq and I don't agree with most of it. But the Christians and gays are not trying to hide with no particular target, waiting to detonate themselves in the middle of public specifically to harm anyone (note: keyword --> anyone) in their path.

It goes back to the old days of Standard Oil.

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As for your links, someone who dresses like a Jew (i.e. disguise) does not mean they are a Jew. But that's a good point about Muslims dressing up as Jews in order to penetrate more sensitive areas. Maybe Jews in Israel might have to get screened now?

Somehow we are supposed to believe that Jews can't tell each other apart? Highly unlikely. Terrorists aren't the only ones with knowledge of explosives. The intelligence community would know just as much. To say that they don't would mean that intelligence is an oxymoron for them.

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Also, the Asian who blew himself up in China was a result of his illness and avoiding jail time. It's an isolated event not linked to the Muslim suicide bombers' cause. The Asian guy died because he thought his life was shitty (poor and suffering from lung cancer), not because he was supporting a cult belief shared by thousands of others who follow Islam. Moreover, an Asian guy blowing himself up in China is not enough to persuade Americans to think that all Asians in America are under suspicion of doing the same.

Quoted from earlier you said

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Let's see if there are any other groups of people blowing themselves up... Are Jews? No. Are Asians? No.

You never said if they were Muslim or terrorists. It's an argument of semantics though. But I wouldn't go believing wholeheartedly any news from China anyway. If he was Muslim and he did blow up a bus for political reasons you think China would let the world now that it can't control dissidents? Obviously not.

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Originally posted by Lepanto And ogvh5150, you failed.

I was not trying to win anything and your opinion is not warranted since I posted that for Benson.

But if you want to respond like your washing the guys underwear then go ahead make your point.

But argue with a point by leaving out any character assassinations to more credible or qualified folks like Yoepus, Smokeape, MisterOpus1 or hardcore trancer to name a few. Or don't argue at all there's enough spam on this board so don't try to post whore a PD/D thread with childish comments instead of worthwhile rhetoric.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Somehow we are supposed to believe that Jews can't tell each other apart? Highly unlikely. Terrorists aren't the only ones with knowledge of explosives. The intelligence community would know just as much. To say that they don't would mean that intelligence is an oxymoron for them.

I'm lost. What does this have to do with my statement that Jews don't blow themselves up?

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You never said if they were Muslim or terrorists. It's an argument of semantics though.

True, and good point. I revise my previous statement: Asians don't blow themselves up as part of a religious cult.

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But I wouldn't go believing wholeheartedly any news from China anyway. If he was Muslim and he did blow up a bus for political reasons you think China would let the world now that it can't control dissidents? Obviously not.

I'm sure if he were Muslim, China would want to round all of them up. Also, I don't think that because China censors it's papers it means that the guy could have been Muslim only to justify your point. Let's argue with facts and logic, not hunches.

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[to Lepanto] But if you want to respond like your washing the guys underwear then go ahead make your point.

Lepanto can wash my underwear anytime. Lord knows I go through so many of them from my dirty job at night.