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Originally posted by Kapedan Its not that im not big on second chances, what I'm trying to say is that all these "mistakes" that these women make, most of them time they will make again. I dont know the statistics for abortions in America, but I assume most of them come from low income homes. Why would we want to give them a second chance? If we do that, then they will go and do it again, in fact not having an abortion and taking care of the child will help them change thier view on how serious this thing is, rather then them making this mistake again, and guess what they will say, the same thing they said on the first time. Sure, everyone deserves a second chance. Doesnt the baby deserve a life?

One question, if they are low income "whores", you think they having a baby will contribute anything to society? Or wouldnt not letting them have an abortion just burden more a struggling economy? That question is just from a pragmatic angle.

And secondly, you think women just have abortions and there no physical and psychological consequences? I mean the mental trauma that women suffer post abortion has been documented pretty well. Go and look for the info and read on it, you'll notice having an abortion is not like having a sandwich or going to the bathroom. Abortion is an experience that most women that go through dont want to repeat, i would seriously doubt that most women that abort ever do it again.

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Originally posted by Kapedan Its not that im not big on second chances, what I'm trying to say is that all these "mistakes" that these women make, most of them time they will make again. I dont know the statistics for abortions in America, but I assume most of them come from low income homes. Why would we want to give them a second chance? If we do that, then they will go and do it again, in fact not having an abortion and taking care of the child will help them change thier view on how serious this thing is, rather then them making this mistake again, and guess what they will say, the same thing they said on the first time. Sure, everyone deserves a second chance. Doesnt the baby deserve a life?

Well i would think a good reason for a second chance is that they are comming from a low income home. I imagine raising a child is rather expensive and time consuming and if you are barely making it trough the month as it is, the added financial burden of a baby isnt going to help. And yes, they might end up doing it again, but whats to stop them from doing it again and again and again even if they already have a baby.

And sure a baby deserves a chance of life, however when you say baby i think a child that is alredy born. When in the uterus its still an embryo and later a fetus, with the first being barely something more than a mass of cells, and the second up to a certain point in time of course just something that is growing there making the woman sick in the morning. Not really something to consider alive.

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Can I put a fucking torch to this and a handful of other threads yet? There's about as much constructive and worthwhile arguments in here to fill a fucking head of a needle. All girls are whores, they all deserve getting fucked hard, low income people suck and deserve all the troubles they attain, God is good, liberals are anti-god, I suck Limbaugh's dick while beating off to Hannity daily,

you dumb,

me smart,

I win,

you not win,

God likes me,

He no likey you,

I need pacifier,

I cry loud,

you not nice,

you speaky no language I hear,

Fuck, is this really the level of asinine discourse that's going to occur? I've asked pointed questions at the little twit known as ProudRepublican, only to hear crickets chirping.

I'll tell ya what my little noobie PDD kiddies, from here on out let's attempt to try to formulate a coherent argument, try to back it up with sources if at all possible, and just once try to present a fucking argument that utilizes as few as dipshit labels and silly generalizations as possible. This is fucking becoming tedious and annoying as fuck to immense proportions. I don't give a shit how young or how old you are - present a fucking descent argument, the whole lot of you noobs, or find another fucking forum to annoy people with your fucking asinine, unsupported commentary.

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and stick pickles in my honker...

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Originally posted by Moongoose Well i would think a good reason for a second chance is that they are comming from a low income home. I imagine raising a child is rather expensive and time consuming and if you are barely making it trough the month as it is, the added financial burden of a baby isnt going to help.

May'be if the Republicans had a plan to provide adequete health care for all children, there would be less abortions. Low income working families in this country often cant affort their own healthcare in this country.

I suspect that all the Right Wing People on this forum come from very wealthy families & dont have any experience in real life. If they actually held a real job & paid for health care either directly or indirectly, or had children of their own, then they would realize
that the Republican leadership in the U.S. only believes in self preservation & really doesn't give a fuck about other Americans or the rest of the world.

The U.S. is a land of equal oppertunity, and it is really unamerican to blame the less fortunate, especially victoms of Hurricane Katrina & low income working families from impoversed areas such as the Appalachia Region of the U.S. for their own problems. Before any Neo Conservative Fasciasts call me a Bleeding Heart Liberal for that comment, realize I said working families.


Moongoose: I really hope your views here reflect the majority of people in Slovenia. If they do; then your country will go much further than this country will anytime soon.

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They all love bribes and run after gifts
They never defend orphans
They dont notice the widows pleas

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Originally posted by Kapedan I can always assume, like I said above I dont have any statistics. But im sure many abortions are from whores that have no morals in most cases.

Yeah and many of those "whores" also give birth to children only to abuse them & neglect them with their looser boyfriends. In fact if many of those looser boyfriends paid child support & helped raise their own children the abortion problem would solve itself. There would be no need for any.

I must ask you here: What is the Conservative Republicans view of Child Abuse & Neglect? Appearently they see nothing wrong with it, since they never talk about it.

I'm really sick of hearing Neo Conservative Fasciasts posturing politically ( or "pimping Jesus" ) on the abortion issue, when they have absolutely no plan on dealing with those children if they were born.

Also, you still haven't answered my question:
If a child born is the product of a rape, then
1) should the mother be able to successfully sue him for child support?
2) if so, then can the father take the mother ( the victom of his own crime ) to court to gain visitation or custody rights of his son?
3) do you really think any woman would want to face her own rapist in court, for a child support / custody battle?

___________________
CORRUPTION IS NOT A CHRISTIAN VALUE

Your rulers are rebels, friends with thieves
They all love bribes and run after gifts
They never defend orphans
They dont notice the widows pleas

Vote Christian! Vote Democrat!

It's not "God is on our side"
It's "what can we do to be on God's" side

These discussions really make me wonder how many people are not fornicating, because from what I experience it seems every single person I know has fornicated. When I go to these parties I notice everyone all over each other. I know we act all ritchous on this site, but I know from meeting so many of these people that yer all a bunch of hedonist drug using premarital sex having party kids, so what the hell is going on with all this "dont drink, dont smoke, dont fuck" stuff?

I just wonder about the crowd on this site sometimes, seems to be very different from the crowd that a person is likely to meet in real life. I mean how many people are staying away from drugs and sex until they are graduated and employed and financialy independent, because a prerequisite for sex is mariage, prerequisite for marriage is financial independence, and a prerequisite for financial independence is education, it just takes so much friggin time, I know for sure that alot of you puritans are full of shit, some of you must be having premarital sex. And every one of you kids that are fucking are vulnerable for an unwanted pregnancy, it is only a matter of time before a condom breaks or a woman forgets to take her pill, these accidents happen all the time. Abortion is there because people will pay doctors not to have their lives ruined by an unwanted child. Some people abuse it because they are whores or are poor or irresponsible and waht have you, but there are plenty of innocent and responsible people who have saved their asses by getting an abortion.

Just go out and meet some friggin women!

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 These discussions really make me wonder how many people are not fornicating, because from what I experience it seems every single person I know has fornicated. When I go to these parties I notice everyone all over each other. I know we act all ritchous on this site, but I know from meeting so many of these people that yer all a bunch of hedonist drug using premarital sex having party kids, so what the hell is going on with all this "dont drink, dont smoke, dont fuck" stuff? I just wonder about the crowd on this site sometimes, seems to be very different from the crowd that a person is likely to meet in real life.

Well said. Sometimes I feel I'm on a Gospel Music Forum because having been in EDM Clubs in Canada ( esp. Government ) and the U.S.
( esp. Glow, Five & Cubik ) I would find it very hard to believe that anyone in all these places have never had premarital sex or never done drugs. In fact it seems alot of "supposedly straight" people turn gay under the influence of ecstasy. As for my hometown - Leamington, Ontario; I'm really glad no one post no ricthious shit from there, since not only is it one of the largest hydroponic weed production areas in North America, most most high school students there do alot more than just weed. Same for Baltimore - I'm really not suprised that a few years ago it rated the Herpes capital of the U.S. As for married people who only have sex once a year for pro creation - the only person like that I ever met is my nutty pentacostal aunt who had 4 kids in 4 years and expects everyone else to help her take care of her kids.

I'm glad I never met any of the ritchious people on this forum, because since they think they are so above everyone else, I would have to post some shit they wouldn't want people to know.

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CORRUPTION IS NOT A CHRISTIAN VALUE

Your rulers are rebels, friends with thieves
They all love bribes and run after gifts
They never defend orphans
They dont notice the widows pleas

Vote Christian! Vote Democrat!

It's not "God is on our side"
It's "what can we do to be on God's" side

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Can I put a fucking torch to this and a handful of other threads yet? There's about as much constructive and worthwhile arguments in here to fill a fucking head of a needle. All girls are whores, they all deserve getting fucked hard, low income people suck and deserve all the troubles they attain, God is good, liberals are anti-god, I suck Limbaugh's dick while beating off to Hannity daily, you dumb, me smart, I win, you not win, God likes me, He no likey you, I need pacifier, I cry loud, you not nice, you speaky no language I hear, Fuck, is this really the level of asinine discourse that's going to occur? I've asked pointed questions at the little twit known as ProudRepublican, only to hear crickets chirping. I'll tell ya what my little noobie PDD kiddies, from here on out let's attempt to try to formulate a coherent argument, try to back it up with sources if at all possible, and just once try to present a fucking argument that utilizes as few as dipshit labels and silly generalizations as possible. This is fucking becoming tedious and annoying as fuck to immense proportions. I don't give a shit how young or how old you are - present a fucking descent argument, the whole lot of you noobs, or find another fucking forum to annoy people with your fucking asinine, unsupported commentary.

The Opus has spoken!

Big fish in little pond? Eeh, eeh? Anyone?