I agree with you Miss P. Lighten up folks!
DJ DAWN--- even though I only have 3 brain cells left...I did understand right away what you were saying concerning the "BPM" issue and that is a viable way to do something like this.....I don't know if it would work too well in this particular case though....I could be wrong. Aside from that, I'm still trying to figure out why some people think that you're "cheating" if you know what BPM a song is.
Also, just out of curiosity, someone mentioned that if you're mixing with MP3s...not to use certain programs (don't remember exactly which ones...this system is real slow right now and I can't get back to the first page to see which ones....was it Traktor & cool Edit?) anyway, I don't use the programs that were mentioned...so I was wondering why they shouldn't be used....are they not good programs for mixing with? Or is there some other reason? Just curious.

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Originally posted by Johnny Eckhardt I'm still trying to figure out why some people think that you're "cheating" if you know what BPM a song is. Also, just out of curiosity, someone mentioned that if you're mixing with MP3s...not to use certain programs (don't remember exactly which ones...this system is real slow right now and I can't get back to the first page to see which ones....was it Traktor & cool Edit?) anyway, I don't use the programs that were mentioned...so I was wondering why they shouldn't be used....are they not good programs for mixing with? Or is there some other reason? Just curious.

'bout the bpm thingy...same here.
And concerning those programs mentioned, some DJ purist said not to use them because Traktor has an automatic beatmatching function. I didn't get why you shouldn't MIX with cool edit, I don't even think it's possible. Cool edit is a wav-editor, I know you can do crossfades and stuff but doing THAT isn't mixing to me, either.

@phatdelt: I think the 4 people idea is better. True that you may not be able to build the energy over 30 minutes like you use to when spinning alone, but that's what the challenge is about. I think the original idea was to figure out how 4 different people (possibly on different continents) can work together to make a nice mix.

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I really like the idea, all except for the *start* where dj 2 left off etc... i dont think that is right... i mean how are you going to combine different bpm's... strings.. etc..

how are you going to combine different bpm's? Beatmatch!
I don't understand your idea with the 40 min "hotmix". It is possible to combine the different mixes, trust us. This is just an experiment to find out how well it goes...

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This is my idea. We do what Wicked Neo said, but:

DJ number one mixes his set.

(record directly into .mp3. I recommend Total Recorder www.highcriteria.com and we agree of a codec to use, Lame, Blade etc) Why encode/decode to mp3/wav all the time when we can do this? Or does the quality get worse if we record directly into .mp3?

DJ #1 sends/uploads his set, and DJ number two downloads it. DJ number two has to play set #1 on his computer, and plugs a cable from his lineout to his third channel on his mixer, or just using channel 1 or 2 while mixing out set #1 (if you only have 2 channels)

I think this one is more simple.

But i don't understand why decoding to wav and the back to mp3, explain. Is it because those with software playback mixing should mix with wav?

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frostdude1 wrote: Just because Deadmau5 has no class, you don't have to associate Tijs with him.

to me this sounds like you just summed up what we wanted to do, anyway. Also, there is no difference between recording to wav and then encoding or recording directly to mp3.

Concerning the codec, I'd prefer LAME over blade or anything else.

DJ Dawn, DOH beatmatch, but obviously some djs spin (especially progressive trance) alot faster than others....

whatevah... not thatbig of a deal...

-keeg

Ok I'm one of those purist Dj Dawn is referring to and I'm probally going to start a war here, but this is a Dj thing right? I've read alot of post talking about different programs used to MIX, not encode or decode but MIX. IMO if your not going to do this mix with vinyl or **begrudging says** CDs, then your not really Djing and maybe you should be involved in the mix.

And if you don't already have the necessary skill to be able to blend a mix in where another Dj left off, you should probally practice more before entering.

I'm in

Neo, U naughty moderator, shouldn't this really be in the DJ section?

I will definately compete if I can ever get over the flu, first day up and out since Thursday

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I'm in...I spin uplifing progressive. I also have all the equipment and software needed to do this....count me in!!

DJ DAWN- thanks for your answer about Traktor & Cool Edit. That helps me understand a little better.
That brings me to this point....DJing used to pretty much be a vinyl only thing....there were really no other choices. Times have changed and so have the tools that a DJ has to work with. DJing is about putting music together with the intention of having a finished piece of work that your listeners will hear. How that is accomplished should be of little importance....it's what your audience hears that's important. Being able to beatmatch is only a small part of it and it doesn't mean dick if your selections don't work well together.
If one wants a purist type thing, then wouldn't you have to rule out CDs as well? Don't a lot of the CD units beatmatch on their own? Two turntables and vinyl is probably the only thing that doesn't do it automatically for you. Today's DJs have so many different options at their dosposal and should be able to use what ever it takes to achieve the final result. All of that means little if you can't put music together inn the first place. Where you end up, I think, is more important than how you get there.

^^^Well said!

but I must say that to this day I have only heard two "good" mixes which were done using software only.

(Apart from the professional "mixed" CDs you can buy in the strores)

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I have read all the threads above and want to add some comments:
01. The participants. Four persons. Why not fourty? As I see no much more than four DJs want to participate. How will we choose? It' the first level of discrimination. For example I have heard DJ Dawn mixing and I am 1oo % sure that he should take part in this action, he is a very good DJ. But I have never heard the mixing by taStemAdmin. he releases number of vinyls weekly and it's fine, maybe he is also a good DJ? How should th people decide, how to make the choice?
02. The "Competition". I don't see a normal idea or reason to make a competition. Four persons will mix twenty minutes everyone, I understand. But what's the idea of the action? To see who can pitch 120 and 160 bpm? It's really easy if you have two ears and two hands. Actually it is not interesting to listen how guys are bringin' tcks together; ripping groups hammer us with daily releases so we can neither download nor listen to them all. You want to hear the perfect mixing? there are hundreds of professionally made albums.
03. My own suggestion. Which tracks will our participants play? The most popular promos of January 2oo2 and the absolute classics? I myself think that we should call it not competition but, for example, "The official 2oo1 trancEaddict Mix" with the tracklist based on the most beloved tunes of 2oo1. This is already a real possibility to collaborate - at the end we will have a CD full of energetic sound which will be also an essential selection of our community. We all have seen these postings "TA week XX winner - Track XX - XX", let there be a mix, let's say, every three month.

PS CJ is NOT agressive, I've just tried to make some points of the upcoming event clear