well, since me = christian as well, I think I should put my opinion here as well.

In the beginning, I was indeed a bit offended by the lyrics, but when I downloaded it last week I finally got the chance to listen to it good.

most stuff is already said over here... my conclusion: IF mv is pointing at God (as: the one and only) he doesn't know much 'bout HIM.
God doesn't wares a crown and makes you bow (only when you pray, not: now all bow or else you die or something) (don't think mv IS pointing at him...==>> A godd)

so, he is probably pointing at everything you think is VERY important in your life and cannot deal without it (these things can be 'gods' as well).

then he is ASKING if you believe in him (or the lyrics do): well, I don't, DEFINATELY DONT see him as 'god', so I (in my mind) always think a clear NO, whether he is pointing at the christian God or just some other 'god'.

at this moment: I'm not offended anymore, put some extra power on the speakers when I hear the song!!

greetz kolkiewolkie

ps DONT quote me, cos I think we are in 1 line, but I'm not sure if I made my point of view clear, kinda hard in english to tell the whole story in your mind...

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who said that "me" is marco v?

the lyrics are totally open to be taken in any way.. ppl decide to be offended by it then thats their problem

as someone already said.. stop reading into it too much, its only a tune, a bangin one at that!

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline Anywhoo, inatrance: sounds to me you are offended..... and if you aren't (like you claim to be), you are definitely getting offended by the replies, which is even worse! don't let people's replies get to you man! It's ok to stand by your beliefs but don't get pulled into a war that isn't yours!

I feel the same way!!

and Jurica is right...ABT you da man!! I hope ur gonna write a book once or so, cuz I'd love to read it (k)

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline so my interesting judeo-christian friends, if any of you took logic 101 in school you'd remember in an "OR" arguement you cannot have two trues..... else that would be an "AND" arguement. (see: parallels with binary 1,0)

Ahem
consider this your logic 101
I happen to have finished the course Logic, and am right now taking the course Computational Logic so I think I know what I talk about.
In propositional Logic (but also in subject predicate logic!), if A is true and B is true A v B (read: A or B) is TRUE....look...true is 1, false is 0. I'll explain the difference between AND and OR in the following truth table

A----B-----(A v B)----(A & B)
1----1-------1-----------1
1----0-------1-----------0
0----1-------1-----------0
0----0-------0-----------0

[edit] ok this table looks messed up. why don't spaces make it to the message? I'll redo it [/edit]

The first line reads: A true. B true. A or B true. A and B true. So in that line they are equivalent, BUT not in ALL LINES!

This may not seem correct intuitively, as in plain english OR is usually interpreted (and meant!) as (A v B) & -(A & B) <---(A OR B) AND NOT (A AND B). So you may be right about how you should take up the OR in plain english. But if you use the word logic to empower your words....this doesn't fly!

I don't try to be patronising or something, but I can't let this go...it's...stronger than me

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dont use gods name in vain :O



anyway its spelt Godd. PUNKS! ahem

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i'm not offensive of those words...
i'm looking on it that way...
it's just a song and y should i let a ong's lyrics affect me!?
it's not like the song trying to give us a massage or something...
therefore it has no reason to affect me

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mm.. kk well I am just going to post one more on this subject

honestly, it does not offend me, I've actually never even heard the song, because my radio rip was so bad. but what I was trying to say in the first place is that, if someone is offended, someone is offended.. but then again people are offended by almost anything and everything.


hmm.. the more I think about it, the more I think that Marco V, is reffering to "Godd" or "a Godd" as the material possesions in their life.

Example: Say somebody just bought a brand new car, and everyday they clean this car, and nurture it, and avoid people just to be with their car (basically worshiping it) I was gonna add put up and alter.. ya but maybe that is going to far

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Do you believe in a god that satisfies, do you believe in a god that opens eyes, do you believe in a god that tells you lies, or do u believe in me? Do you believe in a god that brings you down, do u believe in a god that wears a crown, do u believe in a god that makes u bow, or do u believe in me?

okay it is my opinion that he is saying such material possesions, like the car, control people's lives, making the bow down.. because it consumes so much of their life; and that is why he is asking "a god"

I am no genious.. so whatever.. sorry if I've been pissen people off, I just think in general that we've got a pretty "atheistic" group.. and I am only saying this because of past discussions about God, and religion, etc. ..and just the overall feeling I get from people when such a topic is discussed; so I am just trying to be the one stickin up for those who are religious but not saying anything.
I'm not gonna post anymore, so plz don't flame me

peace
inatrance

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Originally posted by Pjotr G Ahem consider this your logic 101 I happen to have finished the course Logic, and am right now taking the course Computational Logic so I think I know what I talk about. In propositional Logic (but also in subject predicate logic!), if A is true and B is true A v B (read: A or B) is TRUE....look...true is 1, false is 0. I'll explain the difference between AND and OR in the following truth table A----B-----(A v B)----(A & B) 1----1-------1-----------1 1----0-------1-----------0 0----1-------1-----------0 0----0-------0-----------0 [edit] ok this table looks messed up. why don't spaces make it to the message? I'll redo it [/edit] The first line reads: A true. B true. A or B true. A and B true. So in that line they are equivalent, BUT not in ALL LINES! This may not seem correct intuitively, as in plain english OR is usually interpreted (and meant!) as (A v B) & -(A & B) <---(A OR B) AND NOT (A AND B). So you may be right about how you should take up the OR in plain english. But if you use the word logic to empower your words....this doesn't fly! I don't try to be patronising or something, but I can't let this go...it's...stronger than me

FYI computational logic has different theorems and laws than theoretical logic. I didn't take computational logic, although i am familiar with it, and i did have a course on discreet technology (digital chip programming with the binary system.....)

The thing is we are BOTH right here.... you misread what i originally said, however. Yes, A and B can both be trues in a table, but i'm referring to output.... You can only have 1... NOT two. But computational logic isn't the same as theoretical logic... In theoretical logic, there can not be two trues in an OR statement. You don't have to be a genius to figure this out. In fact, even morons can compute this in their brains. If someone asks you if you want this OR that..... you can't have both. Use common sense.

Anyway i think the thread's original problem has been solved.

Inatrance: we weren't flaming you

-ABT-

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haha i love ABT's arguments there always so well thought out and structured i bet you were hell good at english!

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yes, some may find it a bit offensive.
I'm sure it was a sample that marco v stumbled upon, I'm sure he doesn't mean to offend anyone.

I personally don't really care for this tune. Take out the lyrics, and what have you got? not much.

c mon guys, marco v isn't exactly the worlds best lyricist, I don't know why some of you are taking it this far.

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i'm more likely to be offended by someone calling paul van dyk god