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Originally posted by Rodrico I just cant see how something like faith can be rated by others by actions of self mutilation/destruction. I'd say there are other things one can do to acquire great admiration, and nailing yourself to a cross is not one of them.

If you read the article, the man was saved from death by (what he believed) to be God (after a great fall from a building).

His Faith makes him compelled to suffer the same as Christ as an act of reconciliation and thanks for the sacrifice that Jesus and God made during Easter.

You don't have to agree with his actions, but someone who feels that strongly about something to act in such a way is admirable (IMO).

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker You don't have to agree with his actions, but someone who feels that strongly about something to act in such a way is admirable (IMO).

Ditto

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker You don't have to agree with his actions, but someone who feels that strongly about something to act in such a way is admirable (IMO).

The problem I have is that, this sort of primalistic ritual behavior promote some of the bad things that religion should be trying to avoid.

1.Fanaticism to do harm to oneself or others.

2.That these rituals are acknowledge and revered by its devotee's or God. When it shouldnt be anything but the case...

Quoted from the same Article.

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Monsignor Pedro Quitorio, a spokesman for the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines, denounced the Holy Week traditions of flagellation and crucifixion saying their roots trace back to animism. "They think that when they do that they will receive blessing for the coming year. That is not a Christian idea," Monsignor Pedro Quitorio said. "If you have Christ in you, that's enough blessing. You don't need to duplicate what he did on the cross."

and if you've heard David Cross' comedy, as funny as he makes it sound, he makes a few great points when referring to church, religion, bible and whatnot...

"Why are we still practicing and following something like the Bible? That thing was written hundreds of years ago by people who were, guess what... MUCH DUMBER than we are today."

I thought we evolved from those days of "animism" as you refer to it... and should know better than to blindly follow some of those beliefs and rituals.

then again, don't get me wrong, you are free to believe whatever you want to believe and follow whatever religion you decide (or have been brought up) to follow... just don't bother trying to change OUR beliefs as well, cuz we'll either ignore you or try to do the same thing to you... which is a never ending circle.

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My point is that by thinking like this..

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but someone who feels that strongly about something to act in such a way is admirable (IMO).

makes me feel as though as a society, we will never progress if we honor the actions of those who go beyond the call of their religion and do an act of harm to show their appreciation. By such a definition, RJ, do you admire Suicide Bombers? They have such high convictions that they are willing to kill themselves in the name of their diety. You dont, and I know that, but atleast to me, these are the same ideals that fuel these types of actions.

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Originally posted by Rodrico makes me feel as though as a society, we will never progress if we honor the actions of those who go beyond the call of their religion and do an act of harm to show their appreciation. By such a definition, RJ, do you admire Suicide Bombers? They have such high convictions that they are willing to kill themselves in the name of their diety. You dont, and I know that, but atleast to me, these are the same ideals that fuel these types of actions.

Ah. But these people who want to be crucified aren't harming others (except possibly self) unlike the suicide bombers.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by EvilTree Ah. But these people who want to be crucified aren't harming others (except possibly self) unlike the suicide bombers.

But regardless, they are still harming themselves. I agree with Rodrico that physical sacrifice isnt essential in proving your faith.

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Originally posted by The Wiz But regardless, they are still harming themselves. I agree with Rodrico that physical sacrifice isnt essential in proving your faith.

Personally I proscribe to the philosophy of you can do whatever you want, as long as you're not hurting others.

Now is this essential to proving a personal faith?

No.

But if a person wants to express themselves in this this manner, who are we to say no to a personal choice?

I personally think these people who wants to be crucified are a bit nutty, but I don't deny their right to do whatever they want to their body.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by EvilTree Ah. But these people who want to be crucified aren't harming others (except possibly self) unlike the suicide bombers.

I just feel that when it comes to fanatiscism, and primalistic rituals do not need to be admired by our society. Why does someone nailing themselves on a cross as opposed to recreating a fake version prove more admirable, other than the fact that they feel the need to harm themselves to be shown as something more significant. When in reality, God in theory would never care for such things, so really what does it prove or show? nothing but stupidity in my eyes. Nailing yourself to a cross shouldnt be a sign tell of your devotion to God.

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Originally posted by Rodrico I just feel that when it comes to fanatiscism, and primalistic rituals do not need to be admired by our society. Why does someone nailing themselves on a cross as opposed to recreating a fake version prove more admirable, other than the fact that they feel the need to harm themselves to be shown as something more significant. When in reality, God in theory would never care for such things, so really what does it prove or show? nothing but stupidity in my eyes. Nailing yourself to a cross shouldnt be a sign tell of your devotion to God.

And I agree with you for the most part.

Now I don't speak for God, but if God does exist and he did give humans free will and if God's... personality... and emotions are anything like humans (ie he loves, cares, etc like humans do), he would value devotion and sacrifice from his followers.

Yes, fanaticism is dangerous and often religious followers in third world nations because they aren't as well educated as us folks in Western nations are more susceptible to blind faith.

But for some people, because they are too proud or too stubborn or whatnot, getting crucified may be their ultimate expression of devotion and faith and God appreciates their expression of faith. (If this is indeed what God wants from them)

The question is, is getting crucified an expression of fanaticism or is it being merely being very... religious?

I don't know, not until I had a chat with these... strange folks.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by EvilTree Yes, fanaticism is dangerous and often religious followers in third world nations because they aren't as well educated as us folks in Western nations are more susceptible to blind faith.

wow...just WOW

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