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Originally posted by sandstorm03 How many 7" EDM singles are there

I think his point is that any rise is in 7" singles rather than 12" EDM singles.

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My point was that a poster earlier posted a link to an article with "statistics" that I asked for.

The article quoted BPI and point blank claimed that there was a rise of 87.3% in vinyl sales in Q2 of 2005. It didn't attempt to specify which kind of vinyl sales, by default it implied all vinyl. Having the article linked from a website with a domain of www.vinylrecords.co.uk I grew a tad suspicious and decided to verify just how twisted that information was.

That 87.3% jump was ONLY in sales of 7 inch singles vinyls in one quarter. Yes, 87% looks very impressive. So I decided to see on what scale of purchasing that percentage was achieved. Because if a store sells 1 record in Q1 2005 and then sells 2 records in Q2 of 2005 then technically it has achieved a 100% jump in sales. When you look at absolute numbers however, that number in fact is pathetic. Anyways, that 87.3% jump in 7 inch singles vinyl sales was achieved on sales of 154,216 in Q2 of 2004 and a jump to 288,780 in Q2 of 2005. Hardly anything to jump up and down about.

That's how information gets manipulated.

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro +1 .. vinyl beats it all. nostalgic crackles and pops, the best sound quality possible (pure sinusoidal paths/contours can never be beaten by approximated sinusoidals like 320 kbps)

I don't know, from a somewhat scientific point of view I think you have to add all the squares of the difference between 'the infinite quality version' and what you're trying to assess; at every sample point; to check what's best. And one crackle is goint to make a relatively huge contribution there.
I hate noise.

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It should matter to you if I want to buy vinyl or not. Because as the number of people like me continues to grow and eclipses people like you - you will find that production of vinyl will come close to nil. And then you'll be playing Serato, Ableton, CDj's just like the rest of us until whatever new media format comes out.

Dude, chill out. I use ableton and buy mp3s as well. It's only that I like buying vinyl better. Did you even read what I wrote or you too concerned about "people like [you]"?

Oh, sorry if I came off like that.

I didn't mean to.

I am a vinyl man through and through... mixing CD's shits me to tears and mp3's belong on a fucking ipod not a dj booth.

Anyway people have been saying vinyl is dieing for years... I really do not think it will any time soon... Turntable sales are still as good as ever and as it was just reported so are vinyl sales...

So I am gonna keep on buying my vinyls... I guess I must take good care of mine... I don't really get many crackles or pops.

Also Brisky love the store man... It's basically one of the only online vinyl stores that I continually keep going back too...

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 All this and more right here ---><--- It's ashame you guys still don't get the difference between analog and digital. Remember most EDM music before going through the pressing process whether it'd be cd or vinyl must come from a master source and that happens to be a DAT tape. From that very DAT tape is where the CDs or vinyls are recorded from. Both sound exactly the same. This is true for most EDM records recorded after 1990. Before that era most vinyl was recorded from a reel to reel tape which is an analog recording source. This is where the the argument begins. Analog vs. Digital, not vinyl vs. cd since they both come from the same source which is the DAT tape I was talking about earlier.

Your quite correct, espesh theses days. Everything is digital at one stage or another, so all your getting on vinyl is an inferior version of the track on CD.

After 100 plays a Vinyl Record cannot reproduce sounds over 10 000hz due to needle wear on the grooves.

I used to love vinyl and I do miss getting records delivered in the mail, but downloads are the future...

The allure of vinyl, for me, is almost entirely related to nostalgia for an era I didn't live in. There's an... avuncular quality to vinyls that no other media can provide. An intimacy, if you will. But their draw ends there for me.

Vinyls have a lot of problems for me. There is no stereo bass, and no good 5.1 encoding exists. Not to mention price, wear and portability. Digital media won't skip if there is stereo panned bass, and they can all be adapted to encode 5.1. Mp3s are cheap, last as long as your harddrive, and longer if you back them up, and you can take them anywhere. Other audio filetypes are the same. The quality argument for vinyl is bunk, though. No human being can percieve the difference between a hi-fi audio file and vinyl, aside from the fact that vinyls have artifacts of wear, aging and dirtiness (which most afficionados attribute to "warmth." Psh.

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro +1 .. vinyl beats it all. nostalgic crackles and pops, the best sound quality possible (pure sinusoidal paths/contours can never be beaten by approximated sinusoidals like 320 kbps) ... and the way of usage is far better than cdj's, imo ... though ableton adds a new window to mixing too

First of all, "nostalgic crackles and pops" are a sign of the inherent flaw in vinyl: it wears. It gets old, and gets dirty. It develops cracks (the source of that popping you love), and it looses a few micrometers of amplitude each time that stylus passes over. Vinyl has a lifespan. Barring file corruption, mp3s don't.

Furthermore, you are grossly simplifying the process by which mp3 encodes music. Mp3s first remove the aspects of the music that you won't be able to hear anyway. Get this: your ears lie to you. They present you with incomplete data on sound, and your brain fills in the holes with what it thinks would be there. Mp3s use the known algorithms associated with this phenomenon (known as psychoacoustics) to dictate what parts of the sound are lost. At 320 kbps, they really only need to cut stuff that you'd have to be a bat to hear in the first place.

The argument that digital media reduces the quality grows thinner each year, as digital audio grows more and more high fidelity.

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I think legal Mp3 are the future because the younger generation is finding it very impractical and expensive to invest in old tecnology, its too risky. Furthermore aside from internet sales vinly is hard to come by in parts of te world. You can buy a Mp3 burn to cd Or Abelton etc and get very good quality. I have personallyu tested cd vs mp3 320 and find it indistinguishable.

Hi Everyone,

Thanks a lot for all of your feedback, there were some solid points made there and I am suprised how many of you guys still feel so strongly about vinyl.....

MP3's are the future of music without a shadow of doubt, but I love vinyl as my medium of choice.

A point raised asking me about illegal downloads, I think everyone pretty much knows the answer!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks all for your time and i have an announcement to make later in the week, so I will let you know when i can..............

Thanks again Brisky

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For me anyway, I would go for CDs or downloads. But the downloads have to be at least 320kbps MP3 or lossless WAV/FLAC.

If I buy a CD I inevitably rip it to the computer.

Download stores are just so much more convenient and cheaper than anything else.

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