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Originally posted by NeoPhono Going back to my original assumption, I would even go as far as to say that there are times with this drive to reproduce is a conscious process.

Its just that as humans and the way our brains have evolved we tend to think above that, Lions, Alligators, Dogs all take queue to mate during certain times of the year. Humans are capable of turning away from or repressing that desire i.e Nuns, Priests , well supposedly, etc. Is it a coincidence that a woman is more fertile during her menstruation cycle, Its that unlike animals in the wild we as humans tend to view things from a different standpoint as to our natural urges, we all know however that behind closed doors it can be quite the opposite . No animal in the wild would turn down sex and the chance to spread its genes, then yet again nature usually removes the weak from even being able to do that through disease and death.

P.S. T-1.5 hrs until the World Cup, Go Team U.S.A.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan We can make all the posts about the reasoning behind sex be it reproduction or pleasure, or both. The reality is that we need look only at the design of a Man and a Woman to see what that sex is all about. Wehther they are seeking to produce a child or not all higher life forms engage in female/male sex for reproduction in nature. It is obviously a natural design. Whether one masturbates, is homosexual or is a serial killer none of that will bring about what nature expects, a reproduction of the species unless an egg is fertilzed by a sperm. Heterosexual Reproduction is the base of human llfe no matter what one turns out to be later on in their sexual life, preference, etc.

Excellent, I'm glad we arrived at this point.

I think we can now assume that the "homosexual agenda" does not actually exist, but is rather YOUR agenda on an opinion that you're trying to promote for god knows what reason.

So what is the reason, anyway?

PS: They did a double blind study recently of homophobes and people who were secure with their sexuality; they showed them all gay pr0n and straight pr0n. Guess which percentage (between the one's comfortable with themselves and others vs the closed-minded ones who don't realize what indirect bigots they are) had an overwhelming majority who were arroused by the gay pr0n?

You guessed it, it's you!

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Excellent, I'm glad we arrived at this point. I think we can now assume that the "homosexual agenda" does not actually exist, but is rather YOUR agenda on an opinion that you're trying to promote for god knows what reason. So what is the reason, anyway? PS: They did a double blind study recently of homophobes and people who were secure with their sexuality; they showed them all gay pr0n and straight pr0n. Guess which percentage (between the one's comfortable with themselves and others vs the closed-minded ones who don't realize what indirect bigots they are) had an overwhelming majority who were arroused by the gay pr0n? You guessed it, it's you!

Okay, no offense dude, but you're putting a lot of words into people's mouths. First you said something to me about how I said (which I didn't) that heterosexuality was the "natrual" course of actions, now you're not only telling NYC that he thought there was a "homosexual agenda" but that he's a "homophobe."

I don't think anyone has any problems with you calling out people for what they have said or have done, but please don't make things up or leap to huge conclusions that don't exist. We're having a debate on sexual choices, and you're turing it into some sort of personal attack on personal stances that aren't even there.

Maybe I missed it, but why hasn't anyone mentioned that humans aren't the only species of animal with homosexual members? Do those other animals, with their extensive thought processes also choose to be gay or straight?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Excellent, I'm glad we arrived at this point. I think we can now assume that the "homosexual agenda" does not actually exist, but is rather YOUR agenda on an opinion that you're trying to promote for god knows what reason. So what is the reason, anyway? PS: They did a double blind study recently of homophobes and people who were secure with their sexuality; they showed them all gay pr0n and straight pr0n. Guess which percentage (between the one's comfortable with themselves and others vs the closed-minded ones who don't realize what indirect bigots they are) had an overwhelming majority who were arroused by the gay pr0n? You guessed it, it's you!

Seriously guy you come off as an utter jerk in your assumptions about what my beliefs are. Not that I need to explain myself to you in the first place but for the rest of this board I have nothing against any homosexual individual on this earth, why. There are much more significant aspects of life to focus on than such a subject matter. As NeoPhono stated you only make yourself look stupid by sitting behind your keyboard and commenting about homosexual agenda and calling people homophobes. All I can say to you is get a life for making such a stupid assertion. The only one with an agenda seems to be you in your post and you ought to be called out for it, the Stupid Agenda of assertions and jumping to conclusions where none exists about an individuals beliefs and values. I would like for you to take the time and post exactly where I made a homophobic statement or asserted any agenda on behalf of the anti-homosexual homophobes.

P.S. I find your comments disgusting and lacking in understanding my true beliefs about others in this world we live. My statements are related to the Topic "is the heterosexual lifestyle a choice?" Maybe you need to read that topic title again clown before you label people and expose yourself as a first rate jackass. Yes I'm pissed off for being labelled something I find deeply distasteful, hating another person. Get your facts straight.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Okay, no offense dude, but you're putting a lot of words into people's mouths. First you said something to me about how I said (which I didn't) that heterosexuality was the "natrual" course of actions, now you're not only telling NYC that he thought there was a "homosexual agenda" but that he's a "homophobe." I don't think anyone has any problems with you calling out people for what they have said or have done, but please don't make things up or leap to huge conclusions that don't exist. We're having a debate on sexual choices, and you're turing it into some sort of personal attack on personal stances that aren't even there.

In reality he is doing exactly what people who are homophobic and full of hate engage in, the labelling of others to make themselves feel better about the issuse under discussion. I could only be left repulsed that the guy somehow drew some conclusion that I was a homophobe. I find any hatred of another human being who has not wronged you or disrespected you to be repugnant at best, but that is what happens when one jumps to false conclusions and has a narrow minded focus about an issue and wants to make a quick point.

I deal with others as individuals and don't give a shit if they're gay or mormon or uptight. I can tell however that this guy and me would not get along because he is ready to launch into branding people as soon as he sees fit, blissed ignorance is what I call it.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Maybe I missed it, but why hasn't anyone mentioned that humans aren't the only species of animal with homosexual members? Do those other animals, with their extensive thought processes also choose to be gay or straight?

Which is why I made this post below earlier prior to being labelled a homophobe and a homosexual in the same breath, It might be best left to assert that people are what they are just like those animals are as well and just let be what is. None of them made some choice and it was driven internally because that is what they identifty with for varying reasons. That's what makes us unique as individuals.

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With that stated I also doubt people simply choose to be gay as well, if they really are gay and not some bi or whatever we have today in this world. I say that because I could never imagine myself being gay, that leads me to believe that something deep within the mindset of someone who is homosexual lends them to be that way.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby So what about masturbation? If we're going to break this down, let's *really* break it down. As far as I know, both heterosexual and homosexual peoples masturbate... but wait! Masturbation doesn't seem to promote any sort of agenda for this strange and imaginary psychological side-effect we are labeling "reproductive instinct", which would lead me to believe that our so-called "reproductive instinct" is one-and-the-same as our chemical urge to fuck, which we've decided we need to be tricked into doing via pleasure in the first place.

Masturbation could be considered a homosexual incident, yes? Think about it. We orgasm from touch, a man's touch, sure we think about women (And men, for the homosexuals), but your own manly hands do the stroking. SO I guess I understand that chart, now.

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So, as long as we're here, is masturbation "unnatural"? Surely you masturbate.

Too bad, I never said anything was "unnatural". In my first post, I said that homosexuals might be acting on different instincts. And yes I masturbate, everyone does.

Dude, the best prevention of migranes is masturbation. Us men get migranes like no other because women do nothing but bitch all day.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Dude, the best prevention of migranes is masturbation. Us men get migranes like no other because women do nothing but bitch all day.

source?

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Masturbation could be considered a homosexual incident, yes? Think about it. We orgasm from touch, a man's touch, sure we think about women (And men, for the homosexuals), but your own manly hands do the stroking. SO I guess I understand that chart, now. Too bad, I never said anything was "unnatural". In my first post, I said that homosexuals might be acting on different instincts. And yes I masturbate, everyone does.

Mwahaha, touchE!

You're absolutely right, you didn't say anything was "unnatural".

Glad NYC touched on the purpose with his reply. What isn't, and what is unsaid through words, often get said through other mediums that we seem to pick up on somehow, as if by a third sense. It's this energy that creates and drives men to progress, and we pick up on and know when someone's heart is driven by good karma, or by fear.

The energy I mainly get these days, and here as well, is one of seperation and an urge for distinction; and why not? This modern world is becoming increasingly complex, and it's getting easier and easier to become lost in the anonymity of the reflections of society all around us.

There isn't an ounce of hatred in my heart, and life seems quite calm that way.

But you tell me; is this thread, and all like it, really about our blanket opinions on sexuality?

Or is it about our human nature to be inclusive and to indirectly alienate and destroy through lack of resourceful understanding of each other via these pre-programmed opinions we hold so important to our stability?

What if we saw it all for what it was?

They're viruses, keeping us inside the box, and we're too wise for that, now aren't we? We're all good people, or believe we are, aren't we? What can we accomplish if we read between the lines?

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You are correct no matter how altruistic one may appear to be we are all somehow tinged with a sense of bias on any issue. The issue however lies not with the bias but the ability to draw upon sound reasoning and our ability to be humane in a balanced accord. In nature for example a lion would kill a sick animal for food or as competition. With humans we see a sick animal and would care for it to try and save it or others ( thankfully a distinct few only, would ignore and or beat the animal to death at worst). What this all means in direct terms is that we draw on compassion or resort to our basic instincts as humans in a contextual scenario. One's humanity is revealed by the ability to balance out the two when dealing with the subject at hand, that is where society usually comes into play to influence us. It takes special people to rise above the accepted norms and overcome them as well.

B.T.W. for those reading the earlier posts, I have spoken to DJ Shibby and we have settled the issue at hand in previous posts linked to us.

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