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Originally posted by Special_K Man.....you guys must REALLY love your drugs. you actually found this add offensive? thats pretty strange. You know in some way or another waaaaaaaay down the line its more then possible that drugs can in some way fund terrorism, im sure they have already proven this fact. Silly

LoL.... if THAT comment doesn't bring about a flame, i don't know what will!

LoL

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Kids are told all the time that drugs are bad. And that's it.

I remember reading this article where kids were being taught "drug education" and one of the kids reasons for not using pot (these were 3rd graders) was that "smoking marijuana will make me stupid, and get bad grades, and my friends won't like me anymore."

Great education.

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Originally posted by Special_K Man.....you guys must REALLY love your drugs. you actually found this add offensive? thats pretty strange. You know in some way or another waaaaaaaay down the line its more then possible that drugs can in some way fund terrorism, im sure they have already proven this fact. Silly

No it actually isn't proven. It's taken off the myth that since the Taliban grew opium, which they sold to Europe and Asia, that all drug users can be contributing to terroism. The stock market contributes to terroism too, invested money by terroists, but we don't shut down the NYSE.

That coming from a guy whose handle is "Special_K."

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Originally posted by Devbert Kids are told all the time that drugs are bad. And that's it. I remember reading this article where kids were being taught "drug education" and one of the kids reasons for not using pot (these were 3rd graders) was that "smoking marijuana will make me stupid, and get bad grades, and my friends won't like me anymore." Great education.

well smoking pot WILL make u dumber..it kills brain cells..havent u ever seen someone who is "BURNT" ..i have lots of friends that are burnt and its kinda sad...and drug usage has shown to cause a student to get bad grades because pot causes laziness and once again kills brain cells...slowing down your learning process...

go ahed THOR tell me i am wrong...please tell me that pot doesnt kill brain cells..the minute you do u will proove to EVERYONE hear that u are full of shit...

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Originally posted by tiesto14 well smoking pot WILL make u dumber..it kills brain cells..havent u ever seen someone who is "BURNT" ..i have lots of friends that are burnt and its kinda sad...and drug usage has shown to cause a student to get bad grades because pot causes laziness and once again kills brain cells...slowing down your learning process... go ahed THOR tell me i am wrong...please tell me that pot doesnt kill brain cells..the minute you do u will proove to EVERYONE hear that u are full of shit...

Smoking pot isn't good for you, but it can also enlighten you. It does kill brain cells. Yes, I have seen people who are "burnt." It's not inspirational, but it's their life. Drugs used in modertaion can have benefits. Me and my friends smoke occasionally, and we all scored well on the SAT and got into very respectable colleges.

Pot kills brain cells, but so does alcohol (lots), and stoages. And in comparison to those 2 legal substances, marijuana is a lot less harmful.

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Originally posted by Devbert Pot kills brain cells, but so does alcohol (lots), and stoages. And in comparison to those 2 legal substances, marijuana is a lot less harmful.

well actually Pot kills more brain cells then alcohol and cigs...ALOT more....when was the last time u saw a chain smoker burnt or an alcoholic burnt....

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WOOOOOOOOO there tiger. I got this nick name in fucking grade 4.....my name is Kyle....and im special....SPECIAL-K.

Man i cant believe this is a debate were talking about DRUGS. If these commercials stop even the smallest number of kids from doing drugs then there doing there job. Good for them. I've seen a lot of good friends get FUCKED up from chemicals. I cant believe some of you are actually writing E-mails complaining about them like what is wrong with you.

Jesus i didnt think people on here was so freaking pro-drug.

Man EVERYHTING in some way or another may contribute to terrorism. But how the fuck can you compare the shutting down of the drug trade to the shutting down of the NYSE. The NYSE isnt ruining people lives to the point of drugs

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Originally posted by tiesto14 well actually Pot kills more brain cells then alcohol and cigs...ALOT more....when was the last time u saw a chain smoker burnt or an alcoholic burnt....

Dude, please. Brain cells are killed because of the inhalation of smoke. To get high, you'll smoke maybe one joint or one bowl. Not a dozen cigs over a day. everyday. Every drink of alcohol kills lots of brain cells as well. Much more then smoking a joint. People get "burnt" from smoking wayyy too much pot;
either too much in one sitting, or too consistently. Pot is very effective in displaying it's effects upon someone. You can't see your liver growing a tumor when you smoke, but it's happening.

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Originally posted by Special_K WOOOOOOOOO there tiger. I got this nick name in fucking grade 4.....my name is Kyle....and im special....SPECIAL-K. Man i cant believe this is a debate were talking about DRUGS. If these commercials stop even the smallest number of kids from doing drugs then there doing there job. Good for them. I've seen a lot of good friends get FUCKED up from chemicals. I cant believe some of you are actually writing E-mails complaining about them like what is wrong with you. Jesus i didnt think people on here was so freaking pro-drug. Man EVERYHTING in some way or another may contribute to terrorism. But how the fuck can you compare the shutting down of the drug trade to the shutting down of the NYSE. The NYSE isnt ruining people lives to the point of drugs

Hehe, sorry about the name thing dude. I was just pointing out the perplexing irony of your handle.

Basically, the government spent 3.5 million dollars that could have been used to rehibiliate addicts, feed starving kids, or build a homeless shelter, to try and convince people who use drugs that they support terroism.

I have friends who use drugs. I have friends who have gotten fucked up because of drugs. Doesn't make them bad people. Their life, who am I to tell them how to live?

As I've said a million times, anything done in moderation is safe, and can have fringe benefits.

Drugs ruin lives. So does tobacco, alcohol, fast cars, and greed. But we don't shut down the Tobacco and Alcohol industries, outlaw cars, and become a communist state. The point analogy about the NYSE was just to show that terroists make more money from the US trading economy then from selling drugs to us.

Drugs can ruin lives. So can lots of things. It's all about what you use, when you use, how you use. And I believe that it is a person's own morals and beliefs that should dictate this, not someone elses.

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Originally posted by Devbert Basically, the government spent 3.5 million dollars that could have been used to rehibiliate addicts, feed starving kids, or build a homeless shelter, to try and convince people who use drugs that they support terroism. Drugs can ruin lives. So can lots of things. It's all about what you use, when you use, how you use. And I believe that it is a person's own morals and beliefs that should dictate this, not someone elses.

Well tell me this...WHY WHY WHY WHY should my tax dollars go and pay for rehabilitation of drug users...if i am paying i want it to go to prevention...if people where SMART they would not need rahabilitaion...its not MY fault that some moron decides to smoke crack or shoot the horse so WHY should i give my tax dollars to them...as far as i am concerned they should of thought about the consequences and stop listening to kids like Thor and other prodrug people who say drugs are OK...well now they got addicted and want us to pay for it...fuck them...

Well u say its up to the person...like i said so so many people get addicted then want support for their own stupidity....maybe they should of gotten an education as oppose to getting high then they would be A-OK....

Why is that I dont have to worry about getting rehabilitated from drugs ...well its simple because i am NORMAL and dont need that crap to get by or for petty inspiration..therfore i dotn become a pathetic sole .....

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Originally posted by tiesto14 well smoking pot WILL make u dumber..it kills brain cells..havent u ever seen someone who is "BURNT" ..i have lots of friends that are burnt and its kinda sad...and drug usage has shown to cause a student to get bad grades because pot causes laziness and once again kills brain cells...slowing down your learning process... go ahed THOR tell me i am wrong...please tell me that pot doesnt kill brain cells..the minute you do u will proove to EVERYONE hear that u are full of shit...

Ok then. Alcohol is bad, Pizza is bad, weed is bad.. Fuck lots of things are bad for you, its all relative. If you smoke up once in a while, its not a big deal. If you smoke weed daily, yes it will do harm.

Drinking kills lots of brain cells, yet you have not once said anything negetive about it.. Alcohol was illegal for a time, we all know what happened with prohobition, it was a massive failure and people continued to drink even though it was illegal. All it did was make criminals very wealthy, and was much of the reason the Mafia in the USA became so powerfull.

Does that sound familiar?

Devbert ... Wow, massive respect for your posts, I was planning on spending time replying to all the things Tiesto14 has been saying, but instead I see you have already done an excellent job of that!

Tiesto14, you have a very close minded outlook on drugs, and it shows in every post you make. I've been on both sides of the fence, I used to hate anything to do with illegal drugs, I was hardcore anti-drug.. Now I own a drug info website, I meet people from all over the world who use drugs responsibly and believe it or not none of them are criminals or degenerates!

Your a young man, your very opinionated and I hope that with age you spend more time considering the other side of issues. Nothing in life is black/white, nothing is simple, and the drug issue is a perfect example of how complex things can be.

I read pro-drug info, I read anti-drug info, and thats where I make my judgements. I don't want a society that uses archaic means to deal with drugs, I want an intelligent approach to dealing with hard drugs, and I want especially to de-criminalize marijuana.

I've given this a lot of thought, and I asked myself why should I bother even arguing with you considering you think there is no other solution to the drug war, and you think me and anyone else like me who uses drugs responsibly are criminals and degenerates.

You said I should have an open mind, well my friend I think you fail to see that I do in fact consider both sides more than you know, but the one thing that seperates me from you is life experience. I deal with drugs on a daily basis, I see legal issues all the time in the media because of my website I am constantly informed of things happening in the drug war.

If you want to call me closed minded, fine, considering some of the statements you've made so far, generalizing people, insulting them, and most especially denying the obvious fact that the drug war is a dimsal failure, makes me realize that arguing with you is pointless.

You have the right to your opinion, I will respect that, I do not agree but since I see no reason to argue with you, I simply won't bother

I'll let my impressive new friend Devbert continue if he so chooses, now thats someone who's done their reading!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Well tell me this...WHY WHY WHY WHY should my tax dollars go and pay for rehabilitation of drug users...if i am paying i want it to go to prevention...if people where SMART they would not need rahabilitaion...its not MY fault that some moron decides to smoke crack or shoot the horse so WHY should i give my tax dollars to them...as far as i am concerned they should of thought about the consequences and stop listening to kids like Thor and other prodrug people who say drugs are OK...well now they got addicted and want us to pay for it...fuck them... Well u say its up to the person...like i said so so many people get addicted then want support for their own stupidity....maybe they should of gotten an education as oppose to getting high then they would be A-OK.... Why is that I dont have to worry about getting rehabilitated from drugs ...well its simple because i am NORMAL and dont need that crap to get by or for petty inspiration..therfore i dotn become a pathetic sole .....

Rehab is cheaper then jail. It costs much less in the long run. You gotta think long term, not immediatly.

Not everyone gets addicted, and not everyone needs rehab.

Please don't go into the "I am NORMAL" bullshit. What the fuck is normal then? Almost everyone has used drugs, and a lot of people still do.

As I keep preaching, not everyone should use drugs, and not everyone can handle them. But it should be an individual decision, not one made by me for someone else. What if you the government all of a sudden told you that you couldn't eat red meat, or have salt on your food, or swear? Would you just say "oh it's the law"? Don't you feel it should be your decision?

Thanks for the accolades Thor. But he is entitled to his own opinions no matter what. I'd rather give someone the information to think about, then forcefully change his views.

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Originally posted by Thor Ok then. Alcohol is bad, Pizza is bad, weed is bad.. Fuck lots of things are bad for you, its all relative. If you smoke up once in a while, its not a big deal. If you smoke weed daily, yes it will do harm. Drinking kills lots of brain cells, yet you have not once said anything negetive about it.. Alcohol was illegal for a time, we all know what happened with prohobition, it was a massive failure and people continued to drink even though it was illegal. All it did was make criminals very wealthy, and was much of the reason the Mafia in the USA became so powerfull. Does that sound familiar? Devbert ... Wow, massive respect for your posts, I was planning on spending time replying to all the things Tiesto14 has been saying, but instead I see you have already done an excellent job of that! Tiesto14, you have a very close minded outlook on drugs, and it shows in every post you make. I've been on both sides of the fence, I used to hate anything to do with illegal drugs, I was hardcore anti-drug.. Now I own a drug info website, I meet people from all over the world who use drugs responsibly and believe it or not none of them are criminals or degenerates! Your a young man, your very opinionated and I hope that with age you spend more time considering the other side of issues. Nothing in life is black/white, nothing is simple, and the drug issue is a perfect example of how complex things can be. I read pro-drug info, I read anti-drug info, and thats where I make my judgements. I don't want a society that uses archaic means to deal with drugs, I want an intelligent approach to dealing with hard drugs, and I want especially to de-criminalize marijuana. I've given this a lot of thought, and I asked myself why should I bother even arguing with you considering you think there is no other solution to the drug war, and you think me and anyone else like me who uses drugs responsibly are criminals and degenerates. You said I should have an open mind, well my friend I think you fail to see that I do in fact consider both sides more than you know, but the one thing that seperates me from you is life experience. I deal with drugs on a daily basis, I see legal issues all the time in the media because of my website I am constantly informed of things happening in the drug war. If you want to call me closed minded, fine, considering some of the statements you've made so far, generalizing people, insulting them, and most especially denying the obvious fact that the drug war is a dimsal failure, makes me realize that arguing with you is pointless. You have the right to your opinion, I will respect that, I do not agree but since I see no reason to argue with you, I simply won't bother I'll let my impressive new friend Devbert continue if he so chooses, now thats someone who's done their reading!

DUDE YOU ARE WITHOUT A DOUBT THE DUMBEST PERSON I HAVE MET....DO YOU NOT SEE MY POSTS...I FUCKING SAID MARIJUANA IS NOT THAT BAD AND ARE NOT THE PEOPLE I AM TLAKING ABOUT....STOP FUCKING SAYING THATITS GETTING SO OLD...I REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN "MARIJUANA IS NOT WHAT I AM TLAKING ABOUT",,.U GOT IT THAT TIME...HOLY SHIT !!!!

what are you talking about you DONT know me...how can us ay i DoNT have REAL LIFE experience...i ahve seen friends die, i have seen crimes but i have also had fun getting high and i have MANY friends who get high all the time...shit my brother in law smokes more weed then anyone i know..so stop talking shit

I NOT ONCE SAID THE DRUG WAR WAS A SUCCESS...why do you say i did...i NEVEr said that....i think it needs work i think it needs LOTS of work..

And why is that i posted proof of the corralation between drug use and crime and you wont even reply about it...and u call me one sided....i showed u tons of proof and stats....

i dont wanna argue with you either....i really dont...infact...and i will act in the manner of your earlier posts to me...I think you are a complete idiot and i pray to God you dont preach your pathetic retoric to kids....

so dont call me one sided you havent addressed my stats nor have you given one reason why drugs are good or beneficial....you arguement was a joke

I will agree with you that DEVBERT had some good points and tlaked in a manner that is normal as oppose to you that jumped down my throat...how sad you,...hes 17 and is not involved in the prodrug thing as you are and his point was VERY clear..your point is a waste of space on TA.....all you did was rant and tave that i am dumb....that jus shows your ignorance and shows WHY ur efforts will go absolutley nowhere.....get a new hobby...your argument is lacking

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!