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Originally posted by ShadoWolf No, if there's a legitimate issue to discuss. However, in this case the contents of that article were clearly refuted. What shocks me is how many sheep there are here who would blindly follow what's fed to them, even when a simple search would show that what they're being fed is bunk.

conservative-following blind sheep... liberal-following blind sheep... still sheep... either will follow their shepherd off a cliff.

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Originally posted by MarkT evidence of said "bunk"? what's ridiculous is that you constantly present your OPINIONS as fact. you'll note that nowhere do I claim that the CPC actually did anything wrong...I posted an article...and am hypothesizing about the interpretation being put forth by the opposition. you, on the other hand, seem to have some miraculous insight into the entire matter, even moreso than Elections Canada officials who feel that an investigation is warranted... But YOU know it's a ruse...and YOU are more qualified to interpret the Elections Act? YOU are in a position to categorically state that there's no way these monies could be labelled as donations? ok then

You went out of your way to create a thread containing (false) accusations against the CPC. The burden is on you to show that they're true. Here I'll help; here are links to the Canada Elections Act and the Income Tax Act respectively:

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/E-2.01/

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/I-3.3/

I challenge you to find the so-called violation.


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Here's a REAL scandal:


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...y/National/home

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A key figure in the sponsorship scandal blamed financial demands he was getting from organizers for the Liberal Party of Canada as a reason why he eventually defrauded the federal government in contracts worth $1.6-million. Ad executive Jean Brault had pleaded guilty last month to five counts of fraud relating to government contracts awarded to his now defunct agency, Groupaction Marketing Inc. Testifying at his pre-sentencing hearing Monday, he linked his admitted fraud to the demands for secret political donations he was getting from a handful of top organizers in the Quebec wing of the Liberal Party of Canada.

So here we have John Brault, under oath, testifying that the Liberal Party solicited donations in exchange for Government of Canada contracts.


Here's the relevant section of the Elections Canada Act:

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/e-2.01/237702.html

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405.21 (1) No person or entity shall solicit or accept a contribution on behalf of a registered party, registered association or candidate if the person or entity made a representation to the contributor or potential contributor that part or all of the contribution would be transferred to a person or entity, other than the registered party or a candidate, leadership contestant or electoral district association. (2) No person or entity shall collude with a person or entity for the purpose of circumventing the prohibition in subsection (1).

Here's the punishment:

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/e-2.01/237960.html

(via 497 f.162, 163: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/e-2.01/237918.html)

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(2) If a registered party, its chief agent or registered agent or one of its officers has been convicted of an offence referred to in subsection (3), the court may, having regard to the nature of the offence and the circumstances surrounding its commission, and in addition to any other punishment that may be imposed under this Act, by order, (a) direct the Chief Electoral Officer to deregister the party; (b) if it directs deregistration under paragraph (a), direct the chief agent — or another person specified by the court — to liquidate the party's assets; and (c) if it directs liquidation under paragraph (b), direct the financial agent of each registered association — or another person specified by the court — to liquidate the registered association's assets.

So the Liberal Party should be deregistered and its assets liquidated based on the Elections Canada Act.

Not only that, but the Liberal Party still has not returned tens of millions of dollars to the Canadian people from AdScam.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf You went out of your way to create a thread containing (false) accusations against the CPC. The burden is on you to show that they're true. Here I'll help; here are links to the Canada Elections Act and the Income Tax Act respectively: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/E-2.01/ http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/I-3.3/ I challenge you to find the so-called violation.

um...did you miss my previous post? the one where, instead of posting two entire Acts and saying "find something", I took the time to quote what *I think* could be a relevant section?

I also only "went out of my way" to post an article from the Canadian Press that was then recited online by all three of our national newspapers. I have the sense to leave proving anything to the appropriate parties who can access all of the relevant information and who have the requisite experience with the law to arrive at a valid conclusion.

You, however, seem to feel that you can single-handedly resolve any criticism that comes up against the CPC in a simplistic, matter-of-fact manner with a few "ruse" or "bias" remarks. The way I see it, none of us has the means or knowledge of the law to draw a conclusion...but if Elections Canada has seen fit to investigate further, I'm confident in saying that the answer is likely not as simple as you would suggest.

btw...posting an irrelavant story is fantastic distraction from this particular story. How long are we into the CPC administration's term and you're still replying with "but the Liberals..."? So when do we get to judge THIS administration on it's own merits, independant of the previous one?

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Originally posted by MarkT So when do we get to judge THIS administration on it's own merits, independant of the previous one?

Just as soon as we dig ourselves out of the black sucking hole that was left from the previous...

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lol...that's a great attitude...so the CPC is untouchable until all the evils of the previous "regime" are undone?

shit...someone tell Stephen Harper that he can go to town and steal a few hundred grand...because until that AdScam money is paid back, we can't criticize his gov't at all!

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Just as soon as we dig ourselves out of the black sucking hole that was left from the previous...

how long exactly is that going to be the excuse? rough estimate... tiresome...

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 how long exactly is that going to be the excuse? rough estimate... tiresome...

+ a billion zillion trillion gagillion wabillion dafillion times.

There's a difference between not reporting a grand total of $1.7 million (that will become a LOT less after food, shelter etc. are factored in) and STEALING Millions upon millions of taxpayers money like the Liberals did.

If they're guilty, the CPC should pay the appropriate moneys back to wherever the hell they need to pay them. Which is a step above anything the Liberals have EVER done after stealing our cash.

That's sorta was accountability is... making it easier to get caught, and then paying the consequences.

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Originally posted by MarkT ...I also only "went out of my way" to post an article from the Canadian Press that was then recited online by all three of our national newspapers. I have the sense to leave proving anything to the appropriate parties who can access all of the relevant information and who have the requisite experience with the law to arrive at a valid conclusion.

Well put Mark.

Now to the TOTA Tory supporters could just chill on this...it's just a bit a newz people

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