see I agree with that...having many records, and or cd's is all completely understandable - having a wide variety of music and artists is by no means a bad thing. I think the article was referring more to the pop culture intrigue was talking about. its cool to have your little ipod with hundreds and hundreds of tightly packed tunes in your pocket.

On the topic of mp3s and wavs, i partially agree with intrigue, today an 'mp3' is far more of a fasion icon than any other medium. when approaching a crowd of 'hip teens' and said what they would prefer, an mp3 player, or wav player, they would go for the mp3 choice. which is a pity.

I won't even talk about the fact that I hear edm alot on radio over here, just really quietly, and the beat going along with some guy telling me to head down to mike's marine & rv center

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Don't feel like responding to this whole thing because basically we are both repeating each other in our responses like we do all the time. But not everyone is a perfectionist either....we should expect high quality but that doesn't mean we are all wealthy enough to have it, nor are really that much of a perfectionist that we aren't just happy with what we have. That is another problem, people just want things better and better, when what matters sometimes is being happy with what you have. It's simple really...quality I don't doubt is important, but it's not like 320 Kbps MP3s are complete shit, it's not like your settling for 160 or 128 MP3 files you got from P2P encoded or ripped pretty poorly (someone who doesn't have a job, someone who is young, might, but not me who does make some money, has a credit card). I had a bunch of those, I got rid of them because I have something better...and I am actually paying for them. People get stuff within reason. Why are stores like Ikea so popular? because they are affordable, and they might not be the best made stuff, but are fine for what they are. Sometimes you just have to live within your means...and besides I and other people on here or in real life aren't perfectionists, a little bit of a quality loss (which is mostly inaudiable) isn't going to stop us from buying it and listening to it.

I should really add a disclaimer then: I am very much a perfectionist in life and quality very much matters to me. If something better is comparable in price to that of something lower quality, I'll get the higher quality product, always. But if the prices are more distant, then I'll set my budget and look for the best all-around item within that range. I've had far too many small tv's, $15 cd/cassette players, and computer speakers die on me within a very short time to be persuaded otherwise. Affordability is great, but you shouldn't nickel and dime everything either.

Quality loss is fine for certain things, but for others, it's just better to step it up a notch, especially if costs are almost identical.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I should really add a disclaimer then: I am very much a perfectionist in life and quality very much matters to me. If something better is comparable in price to that of something lower quality, I'll get the higher quality product, always. But if the prices are more distant, then I'll set my budget and look for the best all-around item within that range. I've had far too many small tv's, $15 cd/cassette players, and computer speakers die on me within a very short time to be persuaded otherwise. Affordability is great, but you shouldn't nickel and dime everything either. Quality loss is fine for certain things, but for others, it's just better to step it up a notch, especially if costs are almost identical.

I am too a perfectionist in life for the most part. Thus I would choose a 320 Kbps MP3 over anything lower, even a 256 Kbps MP3. Afforadability is great, but also quality, thus why I choose 320 Kbps MP3s. I listen, re-listen to a few of the same tracks I downloaded twice, once on MP3, the other on WAV, to see if there was a difference. I could hardly notice any difference. Thus i'm not as big of an audiophille as you, nor have great headphones (I was testing them using $30 headphones i've had for two years, no complaints, not the ones I use for mixing though, but can hardly tell on those either nor my KRK RP8 Monitors).

I had cheaper TTs, Numark TTXs. They crapped out on me, thus I went CDJ and got the best ones, CDJ 1000 MK2s. I could afford them (I had money saved), and prefered them when compared to everything else and liked them the best. So essentially, I have compared 320s to WAVs, not like I haven't done that, and have I noticed a difference enough to spend more on WAVs? nope... I guess my point has been and will continue to be that not everyone is an audiophille like we are (I still am one because I do choose 320s vs anything lower because I notice a difference). So really I go 1. 320 Kbps MP3s (due to cost reasons) and 2. CDs/WAVs (because they are "the best" quality). So i'm not saying MP3 is the best like some other people might, but that I don't see a huge difference between 320 MP3s vs WAV files.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I still don't see what is so bad about 320 Kbps MP3s though, there's far worse sounding stuff out there...that's the highest quality MP3s your going to get. I buy more CDs because of the quality of it, and maybe if I didn't spend so much on CDs like I have been, I probably would download WAVs, but I'de have to spend more time listening to sets and finding stuff I like...I'de rather buy a CD from an artist than a 128 Kbps MP4 AAC on Itunes, but I'de rather buy a 320 Kbps MP3 on Beatport than a WAV. I'm weird that way...

It's apples and oranges between you and me then.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue It's apples and oranges between you and me then.

I guess it is, different strokes for different folks. We all have different reasons for prefering different things. We percieve things differently, yet as we've discovered in some areas we are actually a lot alike. You might be able to tell a difference, I can't. That doesn't make me, nor you, right. It just makes us have a differing of opinion, which we seem to do all the time. Is there anything we can agree on? Maybe we can just agree on this and actually get along for once...instead of always debating each other over silly stuff. It's getting a bit tiring and it takes up time (and space). We both get into it, so I'm not laying any blame on you or anyone, i'm equally at fault for going on and on with these silly arguments.

I run HD25's from a Toshiba laptop (know nothing about the sound card or equipment within) and i can deffinalty tell the difference... But only when it is loud!

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Originally posted by pvdclubber i'm into hifi, rule of thumb, 192 on your protable mp3 player 320 at home if you got a good rig, virtually indistinguishable from cd quality wav or on macs aiff for playing out in clubs, the speaker system in clubs has a lot of wiring, use the highest file quality you can get to retain a good sound in club environments

Agree. When I started to DJ -bedroom so far- I've got some CDs and some MP3s I downloaded from the internet, most at 128k. They sounded just awful, specially, the bass. So, even if I DJ as a hobby, I do not hesitate to buy tracks (even If I live in latin America ), just to get them encoded at 320k.,

I thougth, however, that 320k was ok for clubs. Any comment about this? (I've never DJ in a club).

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Originally posted by sasslife I run HD25's from a Toshiba laptop (know nothing about the sound card or equipment within) and i can deffinalty tell the difference... But only when it is loud!

no way can you tell he difference with your kit,

the hd25 is a nice headphone, your laptop's soundcard is inferior, it hisses considerably, that is not considered audiophile


buy this for 30 dollars, it's freaking loud and decent soundquality,

http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/pro...producthome.asp

it'll make your hd25s shine,

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