We understand current situations by looking back at history. this put more light on who really deserves the word “terrorist”.

Claiming that Lebanese civilians aren't meant to be targeted while everything in Lebanon is being destroyed is a joke that writes itself.

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OK I'll come back to this thread just for a sec to talk about "History" as some people seems to want to talk about it...

1948 - The eve of proclamation of the state of Israel - Israel is attacked by Egypt, Trans-Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq

1956 - Sinai campaign - blockade of Israeli ships, military buildups, and military alliances by Egypt, Syria and Jordan - Israel conquered all of Sinai peninsula and then returned it.

1967 - Six day war - prior to the conflict - continuous arab raids across the Egyptian and Jordanian borders, persistent Syrian artillery bombardment of agricultural settlements in northern Galilee and massive military build-ups by the neighboring Arab states. The conflict itself - Egypt moved large numbers of troops into the Sinai desert, ordered the UN peacekeeping forces out of the area, reimposed the blockade of the Straits of Tiran and entered into a military alliance with Jordan. Israel found itself faced by hostile Arab armies on all fronts.

1973 - Yom Kipur war - the holiest day of the Jewish year, Egypt and Syria launched a coordinated surprise assault against Israel , with the Egyptian army crossing the Suez Canal and Syrian troops penetrating the Golan Heights.

And there's lots of fun in between...

So basically it just keeps going on and on and on...and we're not even going into the whole PLO issue up in Lebanon and the stuff that was going on in Lebanon before...

Egypt as well as Jordan have managed to accept Israel's existance over the years and have signed peace treaties...there are friendly relations now between the 3 counties...now I just wish the others would too...



K I'm out again

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Originally posted by starsearcher Egypt as well as Jordan have managed to accept Israel's existance over the years and have signed peace treaties...there are friendly relations now between the 3 counties...now I just wish the others would too... K I'm out again

peace only when they come with a resolution for palestinians

peace will come once you have a difference between church and state

as long as there are islamic extremists, or even jewish extremists for that matter, there will not be peace[URL][/URL]

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Originally posted by djlemeir peace will come once you have a difference between church and state as long as there are islamic extremists, or even jewish extremists for that matter, there will not be peace[URL]

djlemeir as long as we keep alienating people and labeling them there will be always extremists. And what Bush and his gang are doing is a perfect element for extremists to prosper.
America is trying to police the world. And alot of unjust conditions apply.

As far as lebanon-israel concerned, once Israel and Lebanon deal with the core issue of the problem there will never be peace between them.

1- Israel Hands Shebaa Farms to UN force
2- Israel releases all lebanese prisoners from its dungeons
3- Israel hands all landmine maps since its withdrawal from lebanon in 1982
4- Israel respects lebanese air/sea/land space

If those points are respected by Israel you will automatically see no reason for Hezbolla to have arms and Lebanese will disarm it themselves.

If this kind of attitude is approached to the palestinian issue it would have been the same case.
But having Israel ceasing land whever it wants, killing, invading whenever it wants, will never solve the problem.

I really hope you realize what I mean. Stop approaching this issue with violence and solve the core problems.
I think Sharon was almost on the right track but with unilateral withdrawal he did not solve anything. It is with agreement of other parts that Israel can achieve peace.
Israel can never achieve peace with its neighbors if it only thinks that its interest is the only thing existing in the region.
Neighbors of Israel also have rights to live in peace and have rights for their lands and such...
enough said.
Don't want to hear this terrorist crap again. Nothing is solved with violence.

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Originally posted by ZinG djlemeir as long as we keep alienating people and labeling them there will be always extremists. And what Bush and his gang are doing is a perfect element for extremists to prosper. America is trying to police the world. And alot of unjust conditions apply. As far as lebanon-israel concerned, once Israel and Lebanon deal with the core issue of the problem there will never be peace between them. 1- Israel Hands Shebaa Farms to UN force 2- Israel releases all lebanese prisoners from its dungeons 3- Israel hands all landmine maps since its withdrawal from lebanon in 1982 4- Israel respects lebanese air/sea/land space If those points are respected by Israel you will automatically see no reason for Hezbolla to have arms and Lebanese will disarm it themselves. If this kind of attitude is approached to the palestinian issue it would have been the same case. But having Israel ceasing land whever it wants, killing, invading whenever it wants, will never solve the problem. I really hope you realize what I mean. Stop approaching this issue with violence and solve the core problems. I think Sharon was almost on the right track but with unilateral withdrawal he did not solve anything. It is with agreement of other parts that Israel can achieve peace. Israel can never achieve peace with its neighbors if it only thinks that its interest is the only thing existing in the region. Neighbors of Israel also have rights to live in peace and have rights for their lands and such... enough said. Don't want to hear this terrorist crap again. Nothing is solved with violence.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

sky news...hmmm funny how every news station and news papers has their own opinions about everything...but let us believe this guy since he works for Sky news...

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Originally posted by starsearcher And there's lots of fun in between...

That’s a very silly way of putting it then calling the most important details as “fun in between�

Your version is nearing perfect prejudice as if for no apparent reason and out of the “bloom�; every Arab country in the Middle East started attacking and hating Jews in 1948. As Galloway says, your lectured knowledge of history which seems to have started ticking in 1948 is gravely fragmented if not flawed in the most inconsistent way.

Do not under estimate those who have supported the cause for a Jewish and peaceful land. We know history right where you avoid it or attempt to discredit it by calling it “fun in between�.

I cannot possibly support colonists because history has shown that they all failed sooner or later. Should Jewish be treated one day the way Palestinians have been since 1948. Only then you’d understand what it feels to be a blamed victim.

Your freedom doesn’t depend on your neighbors death and suffering or watchama call it “terrorist here and terrorist there�

History never forgets. History is merciless.

When you talk about historical facts look at one simple evidence; UN resolutions ignored by Israel. Since you like listing numbers, here are some that speaks of grave violations.

Grave UN Resolutions ignored by Israel: 106, 111, 127, 162, 171, 228, 237, 242, 248, 250, 251, 252, 256, 259, 262, 265, 267, 270, 271, 279, 280, 285, 298, 313, 316, 317, 332, 337, 347, 425, 427, 444, 446, 450, 452, 465, 467, 468, 469, 471, 476, 478, 484, 487, 497, 498, 501, 509, 515, 517, 518, 520, 573, 587, 592, 605, 607, 608, 636, 641, 672, 673, 681, 694, 726, 799…

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Starsearcher,

You can't start talking about the history of Israel without mentioning the Balfour Declaration back in 1917.

Basically, the Brits, in all their wisdom, decided to give another someone elses land to the Zionist movement so that the Jews could have a homeland. Why? Well during WWI, every country, economy shattered from the war, was involved in vying for the Jewish lobby. Yes, even back then, the Jews had power and wealth. The Brits eventually beat out other countries including ze Germans who had a chance to make allies with the Zionist movement but failed.

Interestingly enough, the Jews themselves employed "terrorist" tactics against the Brits when they tried to curb the Jewish immigration into Palestine. Lookup the Stern Gang.

Anyways, the history of the conflict goes way beyond the facts you mentioned. Some might say even before Islam was created.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4792961.stm

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