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Originally posted by LazFX No I did not really think that, and I respect you, too many of us and I am guilty of it, resort to Mob Reaction when stuff like this happens. It is a good thing to know why these people want to hurt us, but in no way should we allow the "why" to change our beliefs. Especially when the "WHY" is based on hate and the total destruction of our freedoms I would also agree that our stance toward the muslim world needs to change and change quick before the HATE that these animals preach becomes the norm. I still believe that the muslim culture is one of the purest of the all, however, its time to come out of the Dark Ages that these radicals are fighting so hard to keep, the muslim culture needs to stand up with one voice and state to the world, This Behaivor is not Acceptable, and we are a People that will no longer accept it. A pipe dream?? I would love to think that I would live long enough to see it happen...

Then it appears we are in agreement?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp first of all, i consider myelf a fairly free thinking and accepting person. but what we are dealing with here is extreemist mentality of people who are willing to give up their lives for a (stupid) cause. how do we deal with this, moderatly. by simple mathmatics extreeme action (-) + moderate reaction (+) = net loss problem is, how do you deter someone willing to die from a cause. threat of bodily harm obviously wont work. but if you threaten their family, relatives, neighboors.... then they may think twice. I am in now way advocating the killing of anyone but if you were someone considering hijacking a plane and flyign it into a building, and you knew that by doing that someone was going to a obliterate your family / friends.... what decision would you make. its easy to lay your life on the line for a cause, but could you make that decision for your parents, your cousins, your siblings, your spouse, your children? The longer we give these people due legal process in reaction to their planned acts or commited acts, the longer they are going to continue to target the west with these sensless acts of violence... i think the time of diplomacy is comming to a close end, and unless we want the world to be reduced to WW3, the time has come to take a hard line against the hard liners. Frankly i would love to be able to get on a plane without someone insterting their hand up my ass, be able to bring my nail clippers, be able to eat a airplane meal wtih a fork AND knife.

I have to apologise to everyone else in this thread because I've tried to be fairly civil so far but for this poster I shall make the following exception...

What a load of fucking shit

There, back to being civil now. Collective punishment has failed in Palestine. The Israelis demolish the house of any suicide bomber and does that make them think twice? No. They still do it and not only that, the rest of the Palestinians look at what Israel did and decide to join in the fun too. It makes the situation worse. What you are suggesting is to further radicalise British Muslims and make damn sure there are plenty more attacks against us in the future. Well done.

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Originally posted by D.Edge this is what is confusing me. so why did we have lax immigration laws if we knew that it would be impossible to assimilate an incompatible culture (in this case, Islam) into Britain? was this deliberate?

Immpossible

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Originally posted by George Smiley Or maybe without these legitimising conflicts they would have no success trying to convince ordinary Muslims to join their cause and would eventually die out?

I cant understand you.. your country had few terror acts.. today 6 planes almost cause the biggest terror act in the history, and still you are trying to justify them?

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Originally posted by Dj Alex (ISR) excuse = somebody to blame (USA, UK, ISRAEL ) for thier extrem behaviour.

But why would they need an excuse? That's my point. If they simply hate the West, as most people on this thread are suggesting, why do they need to use Iraq as an excuse to attack us? They would have attacked us anyway...

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Originally posted by Dj Alex (ISR) I cant understand you.. your country had few terror acts.. today 6 planes almost cause the biggest terror act in the history, and still you are trying to justify them?

WTF?!

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Originally posted by George Smiley WTF?!

I'm sorry, but can somebody please explain to me where exactly I have even tried to justify these attacks?!?!

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Originally posted by George Smiley I'm sorry, but can somebody please explain to me where exactly I have even tried to justify these attacks?!?!

Or maybe without these legitimising conflicts they would have no success trying to convince ordinary Muslims to join their cause and would eventually die out?

you think that they are normal people that you can talk to.. they are not!

or, maybe i understood you wrong so my bad

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Originally posted by George Smiley But why would they need an excuse? That's my point. If they simply hate the West, as most people on this thread are suggesting, why do they need to use Iraq as an excuse to attack us? They would have attacked us anyway...

Was my response to this question on the previous page really that bad?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Was my response to this question on the previous page really that bad?

It's certainly a good point you raise I'll give you that. It's not an opinion that can be proved however, same as my opinion.

The difference between my opinion and your opinion is that if I am right, and they committed these acts of violence as a response to the Iraq War, we can see a specific and convincing aim they hoped to achieve - forcing the UK to pull out of Iraq (it worked in Spain so why not here?).

If we follow your line of thinking, that they just hate the West and would have attacked regardless of the Iraq War, what exactly were they hoping to achieve from such an attack? To conquere the UK? To convince ordinary British folk to convert to Islam? I know you're going to say "to kill as many people as they can" but you talk about keeping people on their side, but if they want simply to kill as many people on their side, then that brings us back to my original question of why would they care about having the support of anybody???

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Originally posted by George Smiley It's certainly a good point you raise I'll give you that. It's not an opinion that can be proved however, same as my opinion. The difference between my opinion and your opinion is that if I am right, and they committed these acts of violence as a response to the Iraq War, we can see a specific and convincing aim they hoped to achieve - forcing the UK to pull out of Iraq (it worked in Spain so why not here?). If we follow your line of thinking, that they just hate the West and would have attacked regardless of the Iraq War, what exactly were they hoping to achieve from such an attack? To conquere the UK? To convince ordinary British folk to convert to Islam? I know you're going to say "to kill as many people as they can" but you talk about keeping people on their side, but if they want simply to kill as many people on their side, then that brings us back to my original question of why would they care about having the support of anybody???

I've actually just thought of something...

It seems irrelevant who is right or wrong, as you say that Iraq gave them an excuse, I say Iraq was the reason. So either way, if we stop such (unneccessary) actions in the future, they will have neither the excuse or the reason right? So the threat to my country would be reduced right?