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Originally posted by paranoik0 just a curiosity, wtf has terrorism to do with the subjectivity of music?

they are both subjective actually.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J America was pissed because Japan had attempted to knock out America's military presence in the Pacific, allowing her expansion in the region to continue without opposition. The fact that the US were lucky and the aircraft carrier fleet were out on manoeuvres was the only thing that stopped it actually happening.

wrong. america was pissed because they attacked something that was part of america. the citizens of america didnt give a fuck if it was a "military presence" in the pacific. it was american men who died that day. people from the mainland US.

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It wasn't an attack on a civilian target and it offered no direct threat to the American people. It was an attack on a military target thousands of miles away for strategic reasons. Which has happened countless times in countless wars. It isn't something to strike fear into the heart of the average citizen- it's a fair game military target in the middle of the ocean.

wrong again. after pearl harbor, millions of americans actually feared an invasion by japan, and was "something to strike fear into the heart of the average citizen."

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Whatever you're trying to do by linking Pearl Harbour to 9/11, they're totally different scenarios. People don't give a shit when stuff happens thousands of miles away. The IRA bombed the fuck out of the UK many times, commmiting some horrific atrocities. Nobody in America gave a shit- in fact, there have been things to suggest that the Irish-American community supported terrorism against the UK. Nobody gives a shit when millions are massacred in Africa or South-East Asia. Nobody gives a shit when several Arabic countries declare war on Israel simultaneously on a holy day. But as soon as some American people die doing their everyday life on American soil, everyone is terrified because, for the first time in living memory, they could die and so could people they know who aren't just soldiers who volunteered to go into battle.

there are more similarities between pearl harbor and 9/11 then you might think. i actually watched a documentary by a UW professor about this very topic. i dont really want to get into it, but both attacks were surprise attacks. the biggest striking similarity is that they both caused america to enter a war. you also say that people dont give a shit when someone bombs africa or something. NO SHIT! thats not what was even being talked about. were talking about whether people would care if someone bombed US people and US land.

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Terrorism is nothing new. Middle Eastern conflict is nothing new. Nuclear threat is nothing new. People around the world have had to live with one or more for decades now. But it's only when America has tasted it on a proper scale that they actually start caring, and making bullshit panicky hippy threads on TA.

thank you. i dont think everyone on this thread knew that terrosrism wasnt new.

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Originally posted by isthatacow2 wrong. america was pissed because they attacked something that was part of america. the citizens of america didnt give a fuck if it was a "military presence" in the pacific. it was american men who died that day. people from the mainland US.

The citizens of America weren't the ones who decided to go to war. America the nation was pissed because the Japanese attacked a military target, which is the standard method of warfare. Soldiers getting killed is what soldiers are paid to do. There's nothing shocking about people who expect to be shot at being shot at. 9/11 happened to civilians in the middle of a city in the middle of America (no, not geographically the middle). Pearl Harbour wasn't American soil- it was just a military base on an island thousands of miles away that wasn't even a State at the time.

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wrong again. after pearl harbor, millions of americans actually feared an invasion by japan, and was "something to strike fear into the heart of the average citizen."

It was a load of bullshit though. Japan was never going to invade and they never came anywhere near the US. It's not as if anything happened or was ever likely to happen because after Midway the entire initiative changed hands.

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there are more similarities between pearl harbor and 9/11 then you might think. i actually watched a documentary by a UW professor about this very topic. i dont really want to get into it, but both attacks were surprise attacks. the biggest striking similarity is that they both caused america to enter a war. you also say that people dont give a shit when someone bombs africa or something. NO SHIT! thats not what was even being talked about. were talking about whether people would care if someone bombed US people and US land.

Exactly. So why the fuck is everyone worked up about this whole Israel thing? Israel's been fucked over by its neighbours many times. Why is it this time that people are predicting doomsday? Suddenly, Americans are sensitive to things they didn't give a shit about a decade ago. People have said in this thread this is one of the most peaceful and secure times for many years. But CNN starts piping Middle East pictures into living rooms and everyone's now afraid.

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thank you. i dont think everyone on this thread knew that terrosrism wasnt new.

Thanks for replying to a piece of rhetoric. But even so, there's only been a "war on terror" (an often pre-emptive war) for the last few years, even though terrorist cells are much older. Al-Qaeda has been around since the 1980s- hell, America used to give it fucking weapons when it was fighting the Soviets. Bin Laden and chums sat there for twenty years and nobody gave a shit, but now they do. Acting like terrorism is a new thing. Because it's happened to them.

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You are just a scared American.

Dont worry only you will face the war; but rest of the world outside is pretty safe to live in.

Yeah if you want to call it a 'World War' or a "'Global' war on 'Terror'" and shit; you may call it that way.. but actually its just your own little war; whole world outside is just chilling and laughing at you guys.

funny that Americans claim they had all rights to attack Japan when there were concentration camps in USA where more than 120,000 Japanese Americans were interned behind barbed wire during World War II. And over half were children.
Is this even mentioned in the american history books?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The citizens of America weren't the ones who decided to go to war. America the nation was pissed because the Japanese attacked a military target, which is the standard method of warfare. Soldiers getting killed is what soldiers are paid to do. There's nothing shocking about people who expect to be shot at being shot at. 9/11 happened to civilians in the middle of a city in the middle of America (no, not geographically the middle). Pearl Harbour wasn't American soil- it was just a military base on an island thousands of miles away that wasn't even a State at the time.

American citizens didnt decide to go because they cant do that. They dont have the power, but when America went to war, almost all of the country was supportive of it.

Soldiers arent paid to die, they are paid to protect the nation, and some happend to get killed. Why would they get paid, if they are going to die? Also, knowing that America was a neutrial nation, why the fuck does Japan decide to attack them?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It was a load of bullshit though. Japan was never going to invade and they never came anywhere near the US. It's not as if anything happened or was ever likely to happen because after Midway the entire initiative changed hands.

And how would you know Nostradamus? Why would they attack Pearl Harbor and not want to come even further? Isnt that part of the war, where you want to invade a country. Sure, they didnt have the power to do it, but it might of been thier intentions. Or if not that, maybe caused alot of other deaths.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Exactly. So why the fuck is everyone worked up about this whole Israel thing? Israel's been fucked over by its neighbours many times. Why is it this time that people are predicting doomsday? Suddenly, Americans are sensitive to things they didn't give a shit about a decade ago. People have said in this thread this is one of the most peaceful and secure times for many years. But CNN starts piping Middle East pictures into living rooms and everyone's now afraid.

So your solution is to not do anything about it? Just like any other goverment in the world, Americans too do change interess in things. 25 years ago, they had different goals, now they have different goals. Everybody is linking this to the Isreal thing, but the terror plot in the U.K is something big, they said 10 planes would of gotten blown in the air. Thats almost 2000-2500 people dead. I dont know, thats pretty big numbers to me.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Thanks for replying to a piece of rhetoric. But even so, there's only been a "war on terror" (an often pre-emptive war) for the last few years, even though terrorist cells are much older. Al-Qaeda has been around since the 1980s- hell, America used to give it fucking weapons when it was fighting the Soviets. Bin Laden and chums sat there for twenty years and nobody gave a shit, but now they do. Acting like terrorism is a new thing. Because it's happened to them.

Like I said, it was 25 years ago. Events change.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 funny that Americans claim they had all rights to attack Japan when there were concentration camps in USA where more than 120,000 Japanese Americans were interned behind barbed wire during World War II. And over half were children. Is this even mentioned in the american history books?

Yes it is and:
"The American camps were only meant to isolate the Japanese, in contrast to the Nazi concentration camps which existed to eliminate their captives."

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japane...ican_internment

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 Yes it is and: "The American camps were only meant to isolate the Japanese, in contrast to the Nazi concentration camps which existed to eliminate their captives." Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japane...ican_internment

Exactly.

Also, President Reagan appologized about what happend, and I think he paid each of the living people that were in those camps, about $100,000, or so. Not sure about the exact number.

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Originally posted by Kapedan I think he paid each of the living people that were in those camps, about $100,000, or so. Not sure about the exact number.

you shouldn't be assuming.

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Originally posted by Kapedan I think he paid each of the living people that were in those camps, about $100,000, or so. Not sure about the exact number.

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Originally posted by isthatacow2 there are more similarities between pearl harbor and 9/11 then you might think. i actually watched a documentary by a UW professor about this very topic. i dont really want to get into it, but both attacks were surprise attacks.

correct me if i'm wrong but roosevelt knew something was going to go down at pearl harbor but he ignored it

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