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wrzonance
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Kthought
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Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Joshua Tree

Approximately 38 nightclubs in Las Vegas pay every single DJ in town huge cash to play anything but trance. My goal is to produce my way to being booked out of state, and valet park cars the rest of my life.


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Drik
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Boras, Sweden

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
...and to get recognition you need to have music that sells, which will not be achieved by doing the same thing over and over again.


Yeah, you have to have something that sells. If you go by doing exactly the same thing as thousands others do, then sure, if you're good you'll get it signed, it might be played on ASOT, but unless it stands out everyone will forget it, no money made that way.


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Drik
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Boras, Sweden

First label I signed on was Black Tiger Recordings, they are good people regardless of what anyone else says. I've released two tracks there now and I have almost 400$ to cash in so far. I don't think thats bad considering I'm not really known.

Also, once you get your name famous you can suddenly negotiate. If you get a kick ass track made and get lots of labels interested, all you need to do is check who wants to pay the biggest advance. Thats also a good way to make money.

Finally, compilations and airplay is a good source of income.

mp3 sites, and own pressings are only good if you've got a huge name, otherwise dont expect to make much..


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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: Tampere, Finland

quote:
Originally posted by muzikislife
I'm finding this really hard to believe.
So how do all the producers afford such exclusive studios and keep doing music over and over, year after year if there is no money in it.

$300-500 won't buy one much....

C'mon producers, share some info


Around $3000 for a release.
$1000 for a remix.


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Forbes
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Edinburgh

I know i few dj prices and the higher you are in the DJ Mag top 100 the higher you are able to get.

Although i know that you can get most of them alot cheaper than you might think


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Steve Allen
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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: UK

when your starting out like me, dont expect to be paid, its all about raising your profile. Ive only just charged 200 Euros for a remix everything else ive done for royalties or swaps. It has helped having 2 tracks released and vinyl and getting some good support from the big djs. Best advise is see producing as a way of rasing your profile and becoming a bigger name in the scene. That way youll get more gigs in clubs and thats where you can make the money if thats what your in it for.

I work full time, and produce every minute i can, and try to squeeze djing in also, yes its hard, but the benefits of hearing your track played live on the radio or in a club is far better for me than putting a price on the income i recieve.

Long live trance, even if the money isnt there its about the music

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verdonsky
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Registered: Dec 2005
Location: Michigan, US
Awesome

Steve, people like you help this genre immensely. You rock dude


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PutBoy
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Registered: Dec 2004
Location: LA (Landskrona)

quote:
Originally posted by muzikislife
I'm finding this really hard to believe.
So how do all the producers afford such exclusive studios and keep doing music over and over, year after year if there is no money in it.

$300-500 won't buy one much....

C'mon producers, share some info


Multiple releases/remixes. DJ gigs and sponsors. It comes down to that.

Plus they probably have rich parents, and have side jobs.


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David Adams
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Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Texas, USA

To be honest, I just do it for the pure pleasure of doing it. I suppose I'm fortunate to have a good career established. I just find it fun - even if I'm not that good at it yet. But, I am learning quite a bit and getting better. I can see a huge difference in my first track I made back in January as compared to the one I just finished.

I just want to have fun. I want to grow in my music skills because it allows me a way to express myself. I find it very rewarding on a personal level.

For whatever reasons you do this, I wish you all luck in this and all other endeavors in life.

Take care!


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Drake44444
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Registered: Apr 2006
Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA

I am new to producing, like four months, (I read these forums daily but don't post much because I dont have much to add), and do it because its fun. I think getting signed would be a thrill in itself, as I wouldnt expect to make money doing it, but having my track be available and appreciated would be awesome. But anyway, I have so much to learn thats just a distant dream.

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djillicit
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: The Netherlands

quote:
Originally posted by Derivative
Not exactly true. Any type of music is only profitable if you can get enough recognition that you call sell your name and your face on a T-Shirt and realistically expect alot of people to buy it. It can be in any style or form but you need to be clever about it and be able to connect it with popular trends or ideas or images and so forth. Madonna is really really good at doing this type of thing. Constant reinvention and image change and she always stays in the public eye.

To the OP:

Music is only profitable if you become big enough that you become a recognisable brand name until then you will make fuck all. This is just a part of the business side of music. If you have limited advertising time, limited air time and very limited distribution you will make fuck all.

Vibrasphere make fuck all and they are one of the best psytrance artists of all time in my opinion. Both are working full time in the civil service. staticblue said he made about 7 bucks off his first release - I am inclined to believe that as all you get as a measly royalty per sale. No mechanical royalty and no performance royalty.

If you want to make money it will eventually be in live performance. Although when you start out nobody will want to take you onboard for money and you have to play for nothing. If you can pull crowds then you are making business for the pub/club/bar owner and you can command a slice of the profit. If you cant pull crowds then you have to get enough notoriety whereby you can. Otherwise you wont be making any money. Even then you could probably ask alot of the people over in the DJ booth - they all make fuck all anyway.

If you want to make money in music you have to treat it like a business. But seriously, its easy to make enough money to get you by doing a full time job. Hell working an admin job will feed you, cloth you and give you enough spare cash to set aside every month to buy a new music toy.

Seriously, produce music because you want to do it not because you want to make money off it. Its like one of the worst professions to get into with regards to getting paid a fair sum. Also you better come to the realisation that if you want to persue music production you will be doing 2 jobs.

When you are not working full time, you will produce or do a night course or something to further that aspect of your career. Don't even think about trying to subsist of music production in the early days it isnt possible and you wont be good enough to even give your work away for free.

Seriously, take Zild's advice - get a job. You will manage your production time better because you have so little of it. Every hour is precious and you spend each hour more productively. You force yourself to take more frequent breaks by like, going to work. You can afford to pay for new toys which is always nice.

And people will respect you for it. That you will work 17 hours a day to do something you love doing. They will respect you for it.


I like that, well said.


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