I just have one question. Where do most criminals get their guns? I'm guessing some percentage get them from illegal imports, but I'm guessing the vast majority of criminals get their guns by stealing them from "good gun carrying americans." I would appreciate any evidence to disprove what I mentioned above. If what I said was true, then not allowing good people to buy guns will eventually lead to less criminals getting new guns. And if you couple this with a intense program in which you take away the guns criminals currently have then the total amount of guns criminals will have will decrease drastically. That sounds like a good idea to me.

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I say the real solution would be to switch all the real guns with chocolate guns and then when a criminal is trying to mug someone and the guy takes a bite out of his gun.. man we'd all be laughing!

-M

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Originally posted by Excite All I have to say is..if u don't live in the U.S. then I don't care what you think about gun control/death penalty. Our culture is different, our history is different. I've debated and analyzed the issue for years and I think we ought to stay with the status quo.

Very well-said.
You can't compare the USA with Europe because they represent completely different cultures, histories, and mentalities. What makes sense in the US doesn't make sense in Europe.

In America, the gun issue is tied very strongly into the general culture of the "Wild West", the Frontier, etc. If you're familiar with American history you know what I'm talking about.

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Originally posted by Eugene Very well-said. You can't compare the USA with Europe because they represent completely different cultures, histories, and mentalities. What makes sense in the US doesn't make sense in Europe. In America, the gun issue is tied very strongly into the general culture of the "Wild West", the Frontier, etc. If you're familiar with American history you know what I'm talking about.

Good public policy principles apply to all people, no matter where they live. Different histories and mentalities don't matter (although mentalities might prevent the implementation of good policy) in terms of the rules of respecting people's autonomy and what the role of government is. It's possible that different culture would change policy, but that's only if a country's residents believe that rape, murder or whatever is okay.

Gun control is bad, be it in the US or UK. Violent crime is up in Britain after its 1997 ban on firearms, the same thing is true in areas of the USA that ban guns..... ouch.

Its a damn tough issue, but I think in regards to the US gun situation its pretty well impossible to have true 'gun control' ... Like has been said before there are tons of laws on gun control.

Much like illegal drugs, the US has a thirst for guns, and its very difficult to really control it.

The question is how do you remove more guns from criminals without hurting the 'rights' of citizens who use guns responsibly.

I do think the Americans are a bit too gun crazy, and this is coming from someone who was once part of a gun club

I find rifles, especially target shooting to be very enjoyable. I've always had this obsession with snipers and the awe they have...

I think that more guns in a neighbourhood do not make it safer, I think its pretty safe to say a house with gun(s) is probably more dangerous than a house without one. So many domestic disturbances turn into violence, and often guns turn them into tradgedies...

But then again you have knifes in houses too!

Damn tough issue, I really don't consider myself in any way truly informed on the subject.

Just don't ban my rifles in Canada, I want to be able to kill things from a long distance!

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Originally posted by Thor I find rifles, especially target shooting to be very enjoyable. I've always had this obsession with snipers and the awe they have... I think that more guns in a neighbourhood do not make it safer, I think its pretty safe to say a house with gun(s) is probably more dangerous than a house without one. So many domestic disturbances turn into violence, and often guns turn them into tradgedies... But then again you have knifes in houses too!

1: Target shooting and hunting RULES! Both very enjoyable activities, and thats why you cant just say, "ban all guns." Theyre both completely legit.

2: Bingo, I believe that a handgun in the house is almost the worst thing to leave around. Kids who see one sometimes cant differentiate whats real and whats not (not to say they think its a cap gun, but they might think its a toy) and can easily kill someone. Not to mention the "columbine" kids who see no other way out than shooting their school.

3: Knives arent as easy to kill someone with and arent so intriguing. How many knives can shoot out little bullets that go through stuff??!? Besides the one in FF7.. or is it 8??

-Marc

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well Marc here's something to think about :
(i keep my guns locked in a safe in my house)

the government could require you to keep your guns locked in a safe in your house, but that is infringing on your rights... some people who live alone or don't have kids have no need to "hide" guns in their house or lock them away... by law, you can carry your guns in your house, do anything you want with them b/c its YOUR house..... if the government tried to regulate these rules, a LOT of people would get pissed off. My dad has had several handguns in this house for over 20 years.... we never had any "incidents" or problems.
Like i said, the number of problems is minute... for every househould where a kid gets a hold of his dads gun and shoots himself, there are tens of thousands of people who don't have problems.
By following your guy's logic, we should outlaw "all cars" b/c a couple of people got drunk and killed others. Same exact situation, really. Because a couple of people abused the privilege, doesn't mean we should disallow everyone the ability.

cheers!

-ABT-

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline well Marc here's something to think about : (i keep my guns locked in a safe in my house) the government could require you to keep your guns locked in a safe in your house, but that is infringing on your rights... some people who live alone or don't have kids have no need to "hide" guns in their house or lock them away... by law, you can carry your guns in your house, do anything you want with them b/c its YOUR house..... if the government tried to regulate these rules, a LOT of people would get pissed off. My dad has had several handguns in this house for over 20 years.... we never had any "incidents" or problems. Like i said, the number of problems is minute... for every househould where a kid gets a hold of his dads gun and shoots himself, there are tens of thousands of people who don't have problems. By following your guy's logic, we should outlaw "all cars" b/c a couple of people got drunk and killed others. Same exact situation, really. Because a couple of people abused the privilege, doesn't mean we should disallow everyone the ability. cheers! -ABT-

I think a BIG problem is that so many gun owners are just really quite bad at using them. I know for me personally that under pressure and a life threatening situation I could shoot accurately at someone attempting to kill me or anyone else for that matter.

But too often the cases of people 'defending' themselves is stories of people shooting their neighbour, wife, kids, dog, or unloading a beretta at an intruder and missing every shot!

I strongly believe in approaching guns like the Swiss do, make everyone who wants a license have to take some real training. I mean too many morons hold a gun and have no idea what to do with it when the time comes

I like the idea of responsible gun owners who have lock boxes or those trigger locks. I mean yeah the odds are quite low, but why take the chance with your loved ones?

If I own a gun when I have kids, I would make sure it was safe from them getting at it, not to mention when they were old enough I would take them to a gun club and let them learn what these things can do.

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Anyone have $9000 US dollars to loan me?

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Originally posted by Thor Here's what I love, screw handguns they are just dangerous Anyone have $9000 US dollars to loan me?

jesus i think id just spend the money on mushrooms! late/

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Robby, I totally agree with you, but because of the few people that screw things up we need regulations.. its because of them that we actually need a government at all! but all in all, i am with you all the way. the porblem is the fact that not everyone (like you, your dad) can handle having a firearm accessible. unfortunaltey this screws things up for everyone else.

-Marc

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