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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, you have alot more to loose if these guys did infact orchestrate 9-11, or had forknowledge (which they did) and deliberately allowed 9-11 taking place, and still being in office, as opposed to neigther one of those and being in office. Eighter way (orchestration or deliberate inaction), it makes perfect sense for them to do so. They couldn't have begun their implementation of PNAC's 'Rebuilding Americas Defences' agenda with out "some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor." I don't why understand somone as intelligent as yourself doesn't connect those dots, when it's in black and white in their own agenda/document. "Incompetence" is a very convenient projected/perceived public image isn't it? EDIT:Formatting and corrections.

ive pointed out time and time again that this document has nothing to do with 9/11, doesnt mention anything even remotely connected to 9/11 and its thoroughly dishonest of you guys to keep posting this rubbish. have you read that entire document? nothing at all to do with 9/11. stop reaching for meaning, its just not there

as for popular mechanics debating the NORAD stuff, theyre into physical sciences not the public sphere of government organisation.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ive pointed out time and time again that this document has nothing to do with 9/11, doesnt mention anything even remotely connected to 9/11 and its thoroughly dishonest of you guys to keep posting this rubbish. have you read that entire document? nothing at all to do with 9/11. stop reaching for meaning, its just not there as for popular mechanics debating the NORAD stuff, theyre into physical sciences not the public sphere of government organisation.

Exactly.

Let's not try and force square pegs in round holes...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That is not incompetence, that's Cheney ensuring an attack on the pentagon. It's complicity, end of story.

You really believe this whole "war on terror" thing is a concoction of some crazy New World Order/PNAC/Freemason/Skull & Bones conspiracy, don't you!

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Originally posted by Shakka You really believe this whole "war on terror" thing is a concoction of some crazy New World Order/PNAC/Freemason/Skull & Bones conspiracy, don't you!

PNAC, yes (i.e. American hegemony and global dominance). The whole "war on terror" ascpect can't be taken seriously considering how we've sponsored and carried out most of it (NOTE: not a referrence to 9-11 or post 9-11 era). Shouldn't we be bombing the shit out of ourselves first in that case?

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
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Originally posted by shaolin_Z PNAC, yes (i.e. American hegemony and global dominance).

and doing so through maintaining superior technical advantage and integrating information technology further into the military, NOT by orchestrating terror attacks on american soil

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN and doing so through maintaining superior technical advantage and integrating information technology further into the military, NOT by orchestrating terror attacks on american soil

No, by going to war and invading key locations to builid military bases, install regimes subservient to the US and US interests, control resources the entire world is dependant on etc.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No, by going to war and invading key locations to builid military bases, install regimes subservient to the US and US interests, control resources the entire world is dependant on etc.

yes. but not by orchestrating terror attacks on US soil.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yes. but not by orchestrating terror attacks on US soil.

Well, did they specifically mention and feel the need for a "new pearl harbor" to get the American people (enthusiastically or reluctantly) behind it.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, did they specifically mention and feel the need for a "new pearl harbor" to get the American people (enthusiastically or reluctantly) behind it.

no they did NOT.

they were saying that the revolution in military technology will likely be a slow one, unless another pearl harbour occured, ie an attack that they did not have a counter for. this often mis-quoted text has nothing to do with garnering public support for a war based on a "new pearl harbour" attack by terrorists.

the revolution in military technology and information systems will be a slow and gradual process, unless someone pulls the american military's undies up over their head. then, this transformation would be much faster as they combatted this new form of military tactic or technology.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no they did NOT. they were saying that the revolution in military technology will likely be a slow one, unless another pearl harbour occured, ie an attack that they did not have a counter for. this often mis-quoted text has nothing to do with garnering public support for a war based on a "new pearl harbour" attack by terrorists. the revolution in military technology and information systems will be a slow and gradual process, unless someone pulls the american military's undies up over their head. then, this transformation would be much faster as they combatted this new form of military tactic or technology.

Read the entire document. It's about ALOT more than just "superior military technology and integrated information technology." You don't need be a 9-11 "conspiracy theorist" to understand this.

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EDIT2: Yes, I know exactly what you're response to ^^ will be .

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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i have read much of the document. not all of it granted, but it IS pretty boring

and yes, you indeed do need your 9/11 hat on to see the "new pearl harbour" = 9/11 attacks. indeed the entire document only mentions it twice, and both were in the context i mentioned.

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