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Originally posted by metalgearsolid yeah, so am I

I never said being a centrist is necessarily a good thing . I certainly wouldn't want to be a centrist when it came to a conflict such as that between the allies and the Nazis. Not that I think the allies were necessarily benevolent (the people in power, which you know very well too, so I don't need to comment on that), but they were the lesser evil. Ofcourse, the nature of the conflict was far more sophisticated than commonly believed, but you know that too.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Sexy_Warden87 Australian dude's: I'm not trying to bash ur media. I'm simply trying to say that "p...." doesn't know his history.

How do you know pkcRAISTLIN doesn't know her history? You've been on this site for less than a week. From everything of yours i've read so far i can easily say she knows alot more than you

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All u need to understand is that there is big differences between Israel and Palistina. 1. When the civil people of Israel is being bombed by terroist everyone is happy in Palistina. When the civil people of Palistina is being harmed the Israeli people mourns their deaths.

I do not doubt that a large percentage of Israeli civilians mourn for the deaths of innocent Palestinian and Lebanese civilians; and i am of the firm conviction that if these Israelis were more aware of the attrocious crimes against humanity their defense force has inflicted on civilians they would be horrified

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Originally posted by Sexy_Warden87 U have to understand that in 1948 when Israel was being built up. There were attacked. Since then they have been attacked several times and have waged a war against the Arab to protect themselves.

What you & Israel have to understand is that when these wars happened & Israel won with all the thanks to the United States, Great Britain & France, they shouldnt have claimed land won by the war & kicked out the people already living there in attempt to annex it. When u invade someones land, occupy it for 1/2 a century, kick the people out by force, enforce thier own predudice laws, & settle it, well... your gonna run into problems. Whats do u expect.? Its not just Israel, its russia, ireland, Iraq, to name a few. Even the original fathers of the USA were labeled as terrorists by the British during the American Revelutionary War.

Also what do u think would happen if China & Russia all of a sudden was more powerful than the U.S. & invaded & occupied the u.S. Do u think the American people would sit back & take it when thier military & government fell.? No way, there would be a shitstorm of terrorism that makes whats been going on in the middle east look like kids games.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN thats not childish. sexy warden is kinda childish btw. i was merely drawing the attention to the fact that whilst hezbollah were firing rockets israel was killing lebanese women and children. and their rockets arent being fired from underground, they dont have nuclear missile silos

You appear to be forgetting that Hizbullah were firing from civilian locations...

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in the context of this particular conflict, israel were dropping bombs on lebanon before the 3000 rockets began to descend on israel. homerj used the 3000 figure, which covered the 30 odd days of war. that was his number, not mine. and those 3000 began AFTER israel started bombing.

Why would Isreal continue bombing after leaving?
This agruement makes no sense.
They were days away from making a landmark deal when Hizbullah started rocket attacks...

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excuse me, did i say "collateral damage"? i dont remember saying that. im talking about the deliberate targeting of lebanese civilians. if you really think this didnt occur then i suggest that it is you that need to understand a little more. the IDF targeted civilians, end of story.

Again, it's documented fact that Hizbullah were firing from civilian locations and using women and childen as shields!
So who's fault is it again??

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r You appear to be forgetting that Hizbullah were firing from civilian locations... Why would Isreal continue bombing after leaving? This agruement makes no sense. They were days away from making a landmark deal when Hizbullah started rocket attacks... Again, it's documented fact that Hizbullah were firing from civilian locations and using women and childen as shields! So who's fault is it again??

again, im not talking about collateral damage in the conflict. im talking about deliberate targeting of lebanese civilians whom were not being used as shields by hezbollah, but were targeted by the IDF anyway. collateral damage is a different topic entirely, and one that im much more sympathetic to israel. but in this case, and the evidence our lovely publicly owned station has unearthed, suggests beyond resonable doubt that the IDF deliberately killed people they knew were not hezbollah related.

where did i say israel continued bombing after leaving? wtf? i said hezbollah started firing rockets after israel started bombing.

lol @ tathi

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As the full extent of Lebanon's catastrophe began to emerge yesterday, the US-based watchdog Human Rights Watch accused Israel of war crimes. "In some instances, Israeli forces appear to have deliberately targeted civilians ... the failures cannot be dismissed as mere accident and cannot be blamed on wrongful Hizbullah practices. In some cases, these attacks constitute war crimes," it stated when releasing a study of attacks in Lebanon. Israeli forces have fired with war planes and artillery on dozens of civilian vehicles, many flying white flags," it said. Israel has sought to justify the deaths by saying Hizbullah fighters hide among civilians to fire rockets. Human Rights Watch says it believes Hizbullah does violate the laws of war by hiding among civilians during military operations, but "the image promoted of such shielding as the cause of so high a civilian death toll is wrong"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1837057,00.html:

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Originally posted by jonSun What you & Israel have to understand is that when these wars happened & Israel won with all the thanks to the United States, Great Britain & France, they shouldnt have claimed land won by the war & kicked out the people already living there in attempt to annex it. When u invade someones land, occupy it for 1/2 a century, kick the people out by force, enforce thier own predudice laws, & settle it, well... your gonna run into problems. Whats do u expect.? Its not just Israel, its russia, ireland, Iraq, to name a few. Even the original fathers of the USA were labeled as terrorists by the British during the American Revelutionary War. Also what do u think would happen if China & Russia all of a sudden was more powerful than the U.S. & invaded & occupied the u.S. Do u think the American people would sit back & take it when thier military & government fell.? No way, there would be a shitstorm of terrorism that makes whats been going on in the middle east look like kids games.

+1

I'm very impressed by your ability to break the shakles of propaganda, mental conditioning, and primitive group think/loyalty/identity. The ability to understand a situation you're not directly affected by is not common at all. If more people were like you, this planet would be a much more peaceful and better place to live.

EDIT: This is probably the best post I've ever seen on PDD regarding Israel/Palestine.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: This is probably the best post I've ever seen on PDD regarding Israel/Palestine.

its a great post, a very objective and humanist world view

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN again, im not talking about collateral damage in the conflict. im talking about deliberate targeting of lebanese civilians whom were not being used as shields by hezbollah, but were targeted by the IDF anyway. collateral damage is a different topic entirely, and one that im much more sympathetic to israel. but in this case, and the evidence our lovely publicly owned station has unearthed, suggests beyond resonable doubt that the IDF deliberately killed people they knew were not hezbollah related. where did i say israel continued bombing after leaving? wtf? i said hezbollah started firing rockets after israel started bombing. lol @ tathi

But that's bound to happen in any 'war'. Mistakes happen and nothing is full proof.
Thanks to the MSM microscope there just seems like more of it when really, it happens more than we'd care to think.

Just look at the Canandians soldiers that keep getting hit by Americans overseas.
Any other country would have pulled out by now because of that.
I know they're not civilians, but my point is, errors happen.

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r But that's bound to happen in any 'war'. Mistakes happen and nothing is full proof. Thanks to the MSM microscope there just seems like more of it when really, it happens more than we'd care to think. Just look at the Canandians soldiers that keep getting hit by Americans overseas. Any other country would have pulled out by now because of that. I know they're not civilians, but my point is, errors happen.

no. i dont believe these were "mistakes".

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Hopefully more documentaries like the one PKC and i have seen recently will emerge and be broadcasted around the world as the dust settles in Lebanon. It would be very sad for humanity if the truth isn't revealed :/