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Originally posted by Pinokio I did search for a thread like this, and didn't found it, before I type the name. Next Time just don't try to be cool, and give an answer. about this "I'm just assuming these because often people that take this drugs like this genres." I think is you see a common behavior relatred to something, you could think it's because of something, and not just think it's coincidence. about the LSD I did read something that it was prove by scientists, that the sounds of PSY/GOA are the most intense for hallucinations. and if you read the first post, I don't say a drug is bonded to one genre only, but it does have a genre that is more common for regular users. Think RJT, It's not coincidence, Find a Reason. and stop trying to be cool.

Ok, you got me

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Yeah no problem..thank you. I don't judge those who do drugs or have anything against them, but I do hope to help those people who feel they need them, to show them that there are ways to experience these states by opening themselves up and also exploring their inner world. Essentially, people coming together for a common purpose in a group setting, as well as individual reflection, is a great way to have what could be called a "peak" experience. This is what people seem to be trying to achieve with drugs...people want to feel like they are connected with reality by being disconnected from it, a type of paradox that does make sense if you think about it. Drugs are an escape. To escape reality, is often times to face reality. That's what happens a lot in various religious practices like meditation and prayer or contemplation...the experiencing of divine or a spiritual reality in order for one to come to a realization about themselves in physical, human reality. Think about it...it's not really "new age" stuff, it's a common thing in many religions all over the world. Sometimes I may talk like i'm into new age stuff, but I really can't stand that kind of stuff. I like the ideas from a guy named Ken Wilber, and he's been lumped in many times with "new age" gurus out there, but this guy is a brilliant philosopher and theorist. I also am really into the thinking of Kant, Descartes, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Carl Jung and Abe Maslow. I'm still exploring some of them though.... I think this thread could be cool and have some good ideas if people would just contribute.

There are people currently studying that, and I did read something similar with the spiritual xperiences and the consumption of different drugs to experience these states.
This was writtern by an psychologist, I think he is from Colombia, ti was very interesting.

There are tribes in Mexico that take Peyote as a religious experience, it's even legal only for this people in mexico to take these drugs, and realize these rituals.

some people get spiritual experiences thorugh meditation only.

and others get them with Music and drugs.

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Originally posted by Danny Ocean because its subjective what drugs to use with what genres. it's pretty retarted to try and pair a certain drug to a certain genre.

i respect your opinion. i think its interesting to see other's experiences of combining certain drugs with certain genres of music. the whole topic is fascinating to not just me, but others as well because it's always a topic of discussion i see come up at parties etc.

i already shared my experience of mdma and gangsta rap not going well together, here's another one: mushrooms and house/trance music. made it sound repetitive and annoying.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Pure ecstacy might not be as harmful then as the stuff that someone could get over the blackmarket by some drug dealer or someone at a rave or club...that would be laced with other drugs. But you can't refuse EEG scans on the brain showing that with ecstacy useage, there is damage done. It depends on the drug given as well as the individual. The scary thing with drugs, is that each person has a different experience with them. Some people can handle them and not have all of the side effects or harmful effects on the body, others will. So if you do have an averse effect, it might be too late once you've taken them. I mean who knows what your getting... It's just like with prescription medication....some people react differently to different drugs. But the difference being...that most prescription medication is beneficial (mostly) to the user. And as illicit drugs like X or LCD or PCP might have some beneficial uses to the user..as these types of experiences I was describing in some of my other posts on here, they still don't offer anything that would be healing or theraputic. Now if we could find some safe, herbal or natural drugs that don't cause as much harm, that would be another story, but designer drugs or synthetics...no matter what study is...would say that they are harmful. I'm sure the german study didn't say they were safe, they probably were just saying that the effects of the drug weren't as severe as the american study noted. And that could be possible, that they aren't, but they aren't "safe" either, there really is no such thing as a "safe" drug except water and music .

Well getting it legal would eliminate the blackmarket, and atleast people would get the real substance.

about the studies, I don't trust them that much,
I did saw the slideshow I posted before and it shows what happens to yourt brain on X, I can beliueve that.

but I've heard studies that said it's 25 % possibilities of being dead when taking X.

Obviously they are lying, we would have hundreds of people dead at raves daily, and that's not happening.

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Perasma Vs BT - Swing 2 Gravity (Pepa Live Mash-up)
I Trance You!

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Originally posted by Pinokio Well getting it legal would eliminate the blackmarket, and atleast people would get the real substance. about the studies, I don't trust them that much, I did saw the slideshow I posted before and it shows what happens to yourt brain on X, I can beliueve that. but I've heard studies that said it's 25 % possibilities of being dead when taking X. Obviously they are lying, we would have hundreds of people dead at raves daily, and that's not happening.

Exactly because they aren't taking it to the extreme that you would need to really get into a near state of catanoia. And possibly they weren't taking other drugs with it..or it wasn't laced with anything else. It would be possible to eliminate it from the blackmarket but it would need to be regulated, similar to that done with marijuana in the Netherlands. But I still wouldn't think that it would be wise for people to take it. And plenty of room for abuse, just like other drugs, legal ones, but more so with ecstacy. We might not be seeing people dead, but we will see dependency, just like with other drugs as I said.

Just doesn't make sense...people shouldn't need drugs to make them happy. It would be almost like an anti-depressant, and although I'm not completely against them, people shouldn't just resort to them thinking they will magically get better without doing anything else like a lifestyle change, environmental change or some psychotherapy/counseling. I think with me, that's what it boils down to. There are just many other ways to happiness and to spiritual experiences, and drugs may have been aids in this over the years, but with the advancement of research in the mind and emotions, we can someday learn new ways of experiencing things and combating depression without the need for drugs. Haha it sounds like scientology, but it's not (another thing I can't stand along with the new age movement). I guess you could say, we have a lot more to learn about the mind and our emotions and I hope that someday drugs wont be needed.

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Originally posted by Pinokio some people get spiritual experiences thorugh meditation only.

that's me

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Fuck the music.

It's all about the state of mind.

Just ask them crazy brits and the rise of garbage oops garage i mean.

Drugs are bad. They make people do weird things like shitting in their pants.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 And as illicit drugs like X or LCD or PCP might have some beneficial uses to the user..as these types of experiences I was describing in some of my other posts on here, they still don't offer anything that would be healing or theraputic.

First i'd like to say i've found reading your posts quite interesting despite not agreeing with everything you have to say

The section i've quoted is one i disagree with, by talking to ecstasy users i think you will find many many people that have experienced genuine and long lasting therputic benefits from ecstasy. The empathy and feeling of togetherness it creates often carries on long after usage. It can certainly help people with confidence issues allowing them to be open where normally they would be shy and reserved. The use in medicine (psychology) is also quite well documented, for example it can be used as an aid for post traumatic stress to allow people such as rape victims to express their feelings.

The issue of neurotoxicity i think is quite a simple one, put all studies aside (including the brain scan images which seem very bias or suspectable at the very least*) and i think it's safe to say that ecstasy does kill brain cells. The feeling during and after usage is pretty conclusive evidence as far as i'm concerned.

And lastly you seem to imply that people take drugs to enjoy the music, for me it is much the opposite; i take drugs BECAUSE i enjoy the music.



Pete

* One study i saw showed the brain of a non user with the eyes clearly visable in the scan alongside a scan of an ecstasy user with large parts of the brain 'missing' and also *shock horror* the eyes. You heard it here first folk ecstasy makes your eyes fall out!

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Thanks for reading my posts and it's okay to disagree, you don't have to agree with me haha. It may have "percieved" theraputic effects, as I have read that it was used in the 1920s for married couples...in counseling, but I am not a believer that drugs are the cure all for mental illness or problems people may have in life. I'm going to write a position paper in my logic class on this. I could go into details but I don't feel like it right now. But I will say that as a psychologist, I will not be someone who will push them into seeing a psychaitrist to become medication. Then again, I wont really be dealing with the kinds of people that would need them. Labels wont be important to me, as my only goal is to find the root causes of the problem, not just a percieved problem based around stringent criteria. And from this help them through various means. Mental illness is much more than just looking at the DSM-IV and diagnosing someone with an illness.

I don't know how genuine the feelings are from taking drugs, it seems almost like your forcing your mind and yourself to have these feelings of empathy by taking these drugs rather than making adjustments in your own life to change things so that you will get better. Say you have social anxiety and are afraid to talk to people, the best way is to realize you have this problem and role play...and think of ways in which you can start talking to people. Once you know you have the problem, your chances for combating it our much greater than not acknowledging it or believing you do. So someone does need to come to that point that they do...just like a drug addict or alcoholic.

I don't think drugs, whether they are illegal ones like Ecstacy or legal ones like Zoloft, are the cure all for people's depression or mental illness. And I think the music is the drug in and of itself, and like I said in another post, if you can allow the music to carry your imagination into inner realities, then you are having much more of a genuine experience then that created through drugs. Sometimes drugs may be needed in some severe forms of mental illness, like scizophrenia, severe drepssion and bi-polar, but like I said, not the cure all for someone's ills. You shouldn't need drugs to allow you to experience empathy, you should be able to experience it genuinely. But then the question remains, what is genuine experience? That's something to think about. Again, i'm not saying "drugs are bad, don't do them" but I'm just saying what I believe. Someday that might change, but right now this is where I stand.

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