To those of you who've used this and FS/Seratoe with CD players, how do they compare?

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 I KNEW I had read something about a problem like that... thanks for the solution, I do in fact have it connected to the "left" port (looking at the laptop from the side). I'll try it tonight. Thanks! I did enter a defect on the M-Audio site, I wonder if it's correctable or not.

Ah finally I can post. Yes that is a known problem with the Macbooks. I have a Macbook as well. In SSL you'll get dropout when touching the trackpad if you have the SL1 plugged in the left port. Use the right port like I said and should be fine. I don't think this is a software problem, it's an Apple/hardware problem. I remember reading something that the trackpad and the left USB port share power, or their connected somehow, I dunno.

Also, don't try to adjust the brightness, volume, or eject keys (basically all the F1-F12 keys), that causes dropouts as well.

i got it today... it's amazing. i'm in love.

djkoolaide waiting for your review, SO far from the reviews i have read it seems like a good investment. Now i cant wait to buy one for myself but want to know how it works with Cdplayers, as i only got 2 Denon 3500, gonna get TT soon.

Thanks Guys

And for those who havent seen it AGI released a small video here.
http://www.agiprodj.com/2006/08/30/...ntrol-vinyl-cd/


Cheers

Yea I did switch USB ports, and now it's fine. What an odd problem, I wonder if it's fixable in the OS/Drivers/EFI or if that's just the way it is?

I posted this on another forum:
Eeeks... bugs!

Ok this product definately has some bugs... I would definately NOT play out in a club on this just yet.

Mainly:

1. The application seems to lose settings at random. I started the app tonight, and it reset to "internal" mixer mode. This happened a few different times, and I couldn't pinpoint what I did that made it happen.

2. The application lost control of my Trigger Finger pad. I had it all setup and configured, and all of a sudden I went to use it and it didn't work. When I reconnected the trigger finger, it started working again.

3. I switched modes from CD to vinyl (playing around with the control CD's), and the app crashed. When I restarted it, it lost all my midi assignments. Grr.

4. Random switching from absolute to relative mode. I mix, not scratch, and NEVER want relative mode to switch on, unless it's at the very very end of the track and I screwed up. Even in that case, just let me screw up as I'd be a bad DJ to let that happen anyway

A few cool things I've found:

1. After you play a track, it grays it out in the playlist. You won't play the same track twice (not that you would anyway). Kinda cool.

2. Loops definately are cool. Wth a midi controller, even cooler. Tap the loop button, tap it again and half the loop. It just works and is quite accurate, nice.

3. Using CDJ-1000's, the timecode seems to be very very accurate. I made little pitch adjustments, and everything responded just as it should.

There are definately bugs, but nothing some updates can't fix.

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Originally posted by Konix Ah finally I can post. Yes that is a known problem with the Macbooks. I have a Macbook as well. In SSL you'll get dropout when touching the trackpad if you have the SL1 plugged in the left port. Use the right port like I said and should be fine. I don't think this is a software problem, it's an Apple/hardware problem. I remember reading something that the trackpad and the left USB port share power, or their connected somehow, I dunno. Also, don't try to adjust the brightness, volume, or eject keys (basically all the F1-F12 keys), that causes dropouts as well.

one problem i have is that if i have my laptop plugged into the ac adapter, i get crazy amounts of white noise out of the speakers. I called m-audio they said there's this thing i can get in the store, i forget what its called haha but it'll fix the problem

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Yea I did switch USB ports, and now it's fine. What an odd problem, I wonder if it's fixable in the OS/Drivers/EFI or if that's just the way it is? I posted this on another forum: Eeeks... bugs! Ok this product definately has some bugs... I would definately NOT play out in a club on this just yet. Mainly: 1. The application seems to lose settings at random. I started the app tonight, and it reset to "internal" mixer mode. This happened a few different times, and I couldn't pinpoint what I did that made it happen. 2. The application lost control of my Trigger Finger pad. I had it all setup and configured, and all of a sudden I went to use it and it didn't work. When I reconnected the trigger finger, it started working again. 3. I switched modes from CD to vinyl (playing around with the control CD's), and the app crashed. When I restarted it, it lost all my midi assignments. Grr. 4. Random switching from absolute to relative mode. I mix, not scratch, and NEVER want relative mode to switch on, unless it's at the very very end of the track and I screwed up. Even in that case, just let me screw up as I'd be a bad DJ to let that happen anyway A few cool things I've found: 1. After you play a track, it grays it out in the playlist. You won't play the same track twice (not that you would anyway). Kinda cool. 2. Loops definately are cool. Wth a midi controller, even cooler. Tap the loop button, tap it again and half the loop. It just works and is quite accurate, nice. 3. Using CDJ-1000's, the timecode seems to be very very accurate. I made little pitch adjustments, and everything responded just as it should. There are definately bugs, but nothing some updates can't fix.

i'm waiting till the software is mastered before i buy, but it sounds like a dream come true...

What you have is a ground loop, and that thing is probably either a direct box or a GLI (Ground Loop Isolator).

You COULD go SUPER CHEAP and buy one of these...

http://www.radioshack.com/product/i...ctId=2104010&cp

It will take care of the problem as well, but I personally don't like the idea of lifting the ground. So I have one of these...

http://www.ebtechaudio.com/humxdes.html

Works like a charm.

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Originally posted by RoBDaWG one problem i have is that if i have my laptop plugged into the ac adapter, i get crazy amounts of white noise out of the speakers. I called m-audio they said there's this thing i can get in the store, i forget what its called haha but it'll fix the problem

yea the feedback your getting like was already mentioned needs a ground loop isolator (you can get one a radioshack for cheap)...this is a typical problem when wiring in laptops into an audio circuit

Another question from the heads over at the SSL boards lead me to find a pretty major problem in the way Torq handles Key Locking when in external control modes.

If you're in internal mode, Key Lock acts just as you think it would. It's actually on by default and you click the lock to turn it off.

In external control mode, however, this behavior changes.

When using a TT or CD to control the decks, pressing the key lock loads a key offset value into the Key display here...



The offset is the difference between the current speed of the song and it's original value. So it's not tracking changes in real time. But hey, you just have to make your adjustment and hit the button, right?

Wrong. This is the freaky part.

The Key offset is determined by the Speed section next to it.



When you make chanes to the physical speed of the timecode source (using the pitch slider), the AUDIBLE change is instant. But the section highlighted in the above pic tracks that change SLOWLY over 2 or 3 seconds. You can see this value creep when you make changes in pitch. So, if you hit the Key Lock button before the Speed value has settled into it's final position, you'll introduce an INCORRECT OFFSET in the Key section.

This is VASTLY inferior to the way FS2/TDJS handles key changes, and I'm sure to the way SSL's 1.7 key locking feature will as well. Another chink in the armor. Since this behavior is documented in the manual, we know it's a "feature" and not a bug.

Hopefully M-Audio will see that this is NOT the way we want our key locking and will change this functionality in an update.

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Ahh interesting... I noticed it was behaving very oddly when I tried to use the key lock feature.

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Originally posted by nem0nic Another question from the heads over at the SSL boards lead me to find a pretty major problem in the way Torq handles Key Locking when in external control modes. If you're in internal mode, Key Lock acts just as you think it would. It's actually on by default and you click the lock to turn it off. In external control mode, however, this behavior changes. When using a TT or CD to control the decks, pressing the key lock loads a key offset value into the Key display here... The offset is the difference between the current speed of the song and it's original value. So it's not tracking changes in real time. But hey, you just have to make your adjustment and hit the button, right? Wrong. This is the freaky part. The Key offset is determined by the Speed section next to it. When you make chanes to the physical speed of the timecode source (using the pitch slider), the AUDIBLE change is instant. But the section highlighted in the above pic tracks that change SLOWLY over 2 or 3 seconds. You can see this value creep when you make changes in pitch. So, if you hit the Key Lock button before the Speed value has settled into it's final position, you'll introduce an INCORRECT OFFSET in the Key section. This is VASTLY inferior to the way FS2/TDJS handles key changes, and I'm sure to the way SSL's 1.7 key locking feature will as well. Another chink in the armor. Since this behavior is documented in the manual, we know it's a "feature" and not a bug. Hopefully M-Audio will see that this is NOT the way we want our key locking and will change this functionality in an update.

just as i was about to buy serato. thanks :P