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MarkT
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Toronto

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
If you can demonstrate that its worse than talking to your passenger, eating a sandwich etc etc then id support it. But i just dont see it as a problem on that scale.

We already have laws for dangerous driving. Why cant we just enforce that instead? The answer is because then it doesnt give politicians headlines, thats why.

They had the same debat back in the 30s when they put radios in cars. The EXACT same debate in fact.


fair enough...I agree that studies should be conducted to see if that is the case (if they don't already exist). IMHO, the studies would back up the claims, but I'd defer to the experts.

on a side note, I trust that you feel exactly the same way about the CPC's street racing legislation? After all, every jurisdiction in the country already has speeding and dangerous driving laws on the books, right?

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Cosmic Fur
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Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Mississauga, Canada

By your logic jayx1, drunken driving should also fall under "dangerous driving".


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Jayx1
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Registered: Feb 2003
Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
fair enough...I agree that studies should be conducted to see if that is the case (if they don't already exist). IMHO, the studies would back up the claims, but I'd defer to the experts.

on a side note, I trust that you feel exactly the same way about the CPC's street racing legislation? After all, every jurisdiction in the country already has speeding and dangerous driving laws on the books, right?


yeah i didnt think the street racing law was justified after i though about it.

And u definately think going after suped up cars is very wrong.


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Everything in this country is illegal.

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Jayx1
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Registered: Feb 2003
Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
By your logic jayx1, drunken driving should also fall under "dangerous driving".


being drunk and having a conversation are 2 different items that have been proven.

What i am asking is for a comparison to be made between cell phones and normal conversations/eating/other things that arent illegal.

if the differences are minimal, then they should either ban everything (which they wont) or STFU


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Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Cosmic Fur
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But they already showed that people driving with cellphones are as bad as people who drive drunk, and since drunk driving is outlawed, so should be cellphone driving.


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Jayx1
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Registered: Feb 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
But they already showed that people driving with cellphones are as bad as people who drive drunk, and since drunk driving is outlawed, so should be cellphone driving.


source?


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quote:
Originally posted by jester
Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Cosmic Fur
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quote:
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source?


First page, Firestarter's post:

quote:

People conversing on cell phones while behind the wheel performed just as poorly in a driving simulator as those with a blood-alcohol level of 0.08%, the level at which someone can be convicted of drunken driving in Michigan and most states, according to psychologists at the University of Utah.


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Jayx1
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hmmmmm well then i guess im drunk driving every day then!

(somehow i doubt it)


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quote:
Originally posted by jester
Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Fir3start3r
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
If you can demonstrate that its worse than talking to your passenger, eating a sandwich etc etc then id support it. But i just dont see it as a problem on that scale.

We already have laws for dangerous driving. Why cant we just enforce that instead? The answer is because then it doesnt give politicians headlines, thats why.

They had the same debat back in the 30s when they put radios in cars. The EXACT same debate in fact.


You can't compare them, they're the same problem, they're both distractions!

http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/safe...ne_driving.html


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Jayx1
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so lets ban radios!


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quote:
Originally posted by jester
Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Fir3start3r
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
so lets ban radios!


I'm pretty sure there have been accidents because of that; to think otherwise would be a little naive.

Why else would manufacturers start making the radio/stereo controls built into the steering wheel?

Can't sell to a dead cusomter now can you?


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