I'll have the girl i just dumped take pictures of the impact. I'm sure she'll be more than happy to do that!


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hands down.

why? just try mixing it yourself, and come back to say i was right.

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I'm gonna throw a grenade into the works, and ask a question:

Beatcounters...

they instantly help an RnB Dj beatmatch trance beats(on any reasonable CDJ)....

But with the broken RnB/Hip-hOp beats, can they still be used accurately, by multiplying/diving by 1/4,2/4,/3/4?

Last edited by Abhay on Oct-17-2006 at 09:47

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 This is a totally dumb arsed thread with some really stupid comments in it. Firstly, Hip Hop and Trance mixing is very different. For the most part we have EDM enthusiasts who put all their time into mixing trance or prog etc. and have only dabbled in mixing Hip Hop. Of course it’s going to be hard. Keep in mind that a lot of Hip Hop DJs are not turntablists either, and there is a big difference. The learning curve is just as steep for a Hip Hop DJ to learn to mix trance. The crowd dynamics are different along with the flow and feel of the music. Cheers Nem

WEll.. totally dumb-arsed thread...


I kinda mentioned all that at the very start, as something to keep in mind, as there were alread like 4-5 votes for Hip-Hop, and none for anything else, and I"m sure that's because the people voting didn't think of that....

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Hip Hop uses drum loops that have been sampled from real drummers and as some of you may not know, there are very few drummers in the world who can keep a rhythm so steady that you would be able to mix them without doing crazy amounts of corrections. This is true especially for East coast styles. Cheers Nem

uh..... are u sure of that ...

I've been to forums out there for Hip-Hop Artists, and i'm sure that now-a-days most use digitization...

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Most intros in Hip Hop are too short to mix the way we do and don’t provide that opportunity, they may also start with vocals straight away and you would have vocals clashing in the tracks. Cheers Nem

As much as I respect you, i don't think you've done your reading...

I mean, it's already been mentioned that this is the reason why a lot of the Hip-Hop artists out there use Instrumentals before mixing in the vocals...

speaking of which.... how can you accurately throw on an ACapella on top of an instrumental... do you have to have the tracks... "beatmatched", or playing at the same speed, so to speak? (In RnB/Hip-Hop)

Last edited by Abhay on Oct-17-2006 at 09:45

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Originally posted by Dj Ricky H So that means that the "proper" way of mixing trance is wait till the last 32 bars of the trance song and overlap it with the first 32 bars of the incoming song. Isn't that the proper way to mix trance?...yes and no.....yes, meaning that the way trance is structured this would be the proper way to mix, no, meaning that there is no creativity.

Uh, i don't think that's right... trance tracks aren't structured the same, especially when it comes to length of chorus and verses...

It's been months since i've touched a deck, but i'm pretty sure the number of beats in the outro and intro are different in a lot of tracks... but don't quote me on that....

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Originally posted by Dj Ricky H If it was sooo dumb, why did you read it then? If you read it properly, we weren't talking about track selection and all that. We were just discussing the technical side of mixing.

If you bothered to read my post properly you will also have noticed that I did actually explain why the mixing styles are different and also talked about technical aspects. Not to mention some untangible factors that are critical to making you a DJ that are common ground over all genres.
Also making the point that just because someone plays and mixes Hip Hop it doesn't make them a turntablist i.e. they don't have to scratch, beat juggle and crab etc.

Keep in mind that turntablism and playing a set of Hip Hop are two different things, something that was slightly overlooked by some people. Turntablism doesn't even have to be performed using Hip Hop music although for the most part it is the music of choice for them.

The bottom line is that it's no big deal for either genre, they are both easy. To be good at either genre takes time and to make a comparisson is daft because they are not the same skill sets and different natural ability and inclination will decide which you are better at and which you find the easiest.

To become a turntablist on the other hand is like learning to play an instrument.

The main point is that people should not feel that their skills are threatened by other genres.

Does it matter which is harder? If you don't enjoy playing Hip Hop (a term I use lightly as most people have lost sight of what it actually is) why should you care how hard it is?

Cheers
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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Does it matter which is harder? If you don't enjoy playing Hip Hop (a term I use lightly as most people have lost sight of what it actually is) why should you care how hard it is? Cheers Nem

WEll, RnB DJs I know claiming that trance is easy and requires no skill, and is over respected... And everyone i know (that doesn't DJ) agreeing that RnB must surely be harder...

I'm not bothered by that... I DJ because i enjoy it, and listen to trance because i love it.... but the experience did make me actually pretty curious about RnB as as a genre to mix, and whether it really is harder and deserving of more respect, or is does it just seem like that because of lack of trying?

I was just curious...

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister My view: Hip Hop and RnB is rubbish, the scene is even more rubbish. Thats my view, which I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to.

+.5...


It used to be good, now it's become fucked now that everyone's started listening to it...

I don't mind a bit of hip-hop here and there, but mostly the older stuff I like, around and before Tu-Pac's era. Some of the underground stuff is still great today.

But i hate the music right now, not because of the music, but mostly because of the scene... I hate going into RnB clubs... i can't stand the people, adnd the attitudes. If you go to a proper trance night, with real trance fans, the scene is completely different, and more-so seeming like the old psy-trance "enjoyment" days that ishkur is constantly ranting and whining about.

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Originally posted by Stealth Trance songs are so diverse that you can't follow a '32 bar rule'...

surely you cant be serious! If theres any rule you CAN follow in mixing trance it's a 32 bar rule (notice I said can, doesnt mean you have to)

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