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Originally posted by mute79 ahah, what are you saying, that one hand doesn't know what the other is doing? they're not the mafia for crying out loud! they're cheaters! umm, no, Villeneuve IS a great driver and he's continually proven that during his career..

says who? a good driver can over came all the obstacles to reach his goals, did he? when and where

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all i can remeber about Schumacher is him trying to take out Villeneuve cuz jaques was passing him and he was gonna loose the championship we all know how that one ended

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Originally posted by djeso says who? a good driver can over came all the obstacles to reach his goals, did he? when and where

not in F1... it's not enough to have the skills, you need the team to deliver a strong package, which is also why you see so many 1-2 finishes... if one team gets it right, both drivers will do well (which brings up another big point of team orders at ferrari, but i'll keep my mouth shut about that)

anyways, it's not called the pinacle of motoracing for no reason... it's all about the technological advancements your team can come up before the competition

Villeneuve IS a great driver...


im sad to see shumi go though, since i never got to seem him race live.


every driver has their antics.... you cant for one second think hes not the greatest driver in f1 ever. youd be dumb to thnk otherwise.

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Originally posted by mute79 How can anyone support a driver like him after he does tricks like that?!

because hes a rich and successful badass

Ok, I found two bars that are willing to show the race, anybody up for it:

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Joe Mercury's Big City Sports Bar & Grill
2345 B Dundas St. W.
NW corner of Bloor & Dundas
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Ok, I came into this a bit late, but here are my thoughts:

JV should stfu. He had the best package when he won in 97. Schu had the best package with Benetton when he won before that. When Schu left for Ferrari, the Scuderia was a mid-pack also-ran. He finished 3rd in 96. It took him until 2000 to develop the car & team to the point of winning the drivers championship (the team's first drivers title since Jody Schekter in the early 80's) though they did win the constructors title in 99, and for the next 6 straight years.

JV left the dominant package for the bags of money being offered by BAR. Hell, JV finished 5th in 98 even though he was still in the same Wlliams. While Ken Tyrrell has been one of the greatest innovators in Formula 1 history, his team at this time was sadly, an also-ran. When JV showed up, he didn't devote the same passion to testing and car development as Schu. He has a history of going against the advice of his engineers and his skills at car setup aren't always the best. He's a difficult personality to have on the team, as was told to me by one of their aerodynamicists back in 2001. In the time since Williams, he never scored more than 20 points in a season.

Button:
2003 F1 (BAR), 9°, 17 points
2004 F1 (BAR), 3°, 85 points
2005 F1 (BAR), 9°, 37 points

JV:
1999 F1 (BAR), 0 point
2000 F1 (BAR), 7°, 17 points
2001 F1 (BAR), 7°, 12 points
2002 F1 (BAR), 12°, 4 points
2003 F1 (BAR), 16°, 6 points

These standings above show just how outclassed JV is as a driver (don't give me any car improvements crap either If JV took less salary during his time at BAR, maybe the car might have been just that little bit better. He was one of the highest paid drivers while at BAR without a half-decent season to show for it).

Schumacher, while using some really asshole tactics over the years, has been one of the hardest testing, most consistent drivers of the modern era. His technical knowledge and passion to work with his engineers to get the most out of the car is impressive. Yeah he's often a cold asshole, but his results speak for themselves. If Schu manages to win today, he will have tied the total number of wins by Prost and Senna COMBINED. Nevermind nobody ever dreamed anyone would beat JM Fangio's 5 World Drivers Championships.

I've never really cheered for Schu, though I've always respected him. Ever since watching his first race at Spa back in 1991 and he was taking Eau Rouge flat-out I've been impressed by his raw talent. I actually would like to see him win this one today.

I would really love to see Rubens or Massa win at home though.

One last note: Fuck TSN today. Bastards are tape-delaying the race to show fucking NassCAR.

Paul

perfect top 3 for me.
massa winning at his home track.
alonso winning the championship.
button being on the podium

shumacher, good years behind the wheel.
nice suit massa too.
good year of F1 racing. hope next year is just as competitive or more.

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I for one, thought that this season surpassed the last one. Much more exciting. Lets see how next year turns out. But I guess we will NEVER EVER see anything like the '79 French GP (Dijon) between Villeneuve and Arnoux.

^^^ Yes guy!!!

That's my favourite F1 highlight ever, with an in-car qualifying lap by Senna @ Monaco in the mid-80's being a close second. Amazing skills.

The best bit is that after the Dijon race, the marshalls gave Arnoux and Gilles shit for such dangerous racing. The two drivers just laughed and cwalked away. The quote from Arnoux at the end sums it all up

Paul

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Originally posted by 4-play I for one, thought that this season surpassed the last one. Much more exciting. Lets see how next year turns out. But I guess we will NEVER EVER see anything like the '79 French GP (Dijon) between Villeneuve and Arnoux.

WOW!!! That was awesome!!

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Originally posted by pmoisse ^^^ Yes guy!!! That's my favourite F1 highlight ever, with an in-car qualifying lap by Senna @ Monaco in the mid-80's being a close second. Amazing skills. The best bit is that after the Dijon race, the marshalls gave Arnoux and Gilles shit for such dangerous racing. The two drivers just laughed and cwalked away. The quote from Arnoux at the end sums it all up Paul

I wish I were there to see these races during the 70s and early 80s, minus incidents such as Pryce, Villeneuve, Lauda (thank god he got out alive), and the likes. People should not complain that F1 is 'too safe'. They learned from their mistakes.

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