I thought the edm scene was all about the music?? that attitude doesnt exist anymore I think sadly.

some people are just waaaaaaaaay tooo paranoid when it comes to asians at viva or guv.These people are there to have fun just like everyone else but to come and bash them and making it look as if they shouldnt be allowed to party is just pure bullshit.

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Originally posted by Chiclet LOL, you sound very ignorant. So by your logic, asians wouldn't want to go to Footwork, because most of the people there are white? My point is... as cliched as it sounds... it's true: race shouldn't matter. It has nothing to do with my club being "cool" enough (whatever that's supposed to mean) and I'm not "sad" about anything in this situation. I'm just trying to stop people like you from saying ignorant things such as that stated above.

Please don't call me ignorant.
You might be taken seriously after that.

And lets be honest here. Why do you care? Did the promoter/owner pay (force) you to 'better' the reputation?

If this has nothing to do with that, why would you care after that? You wanna fix the sterotype of your own type of people at viva? Why not all asians in general? Why is the crowd at viva so important?

As far as I know there has never been an issue or a (serious) race issue at viva. We live in an international city. There are many races here, and hateful (or discriminating) racism doesn't exist here anymore.

Everyone just chooses to go wherever they please. So please dont try to pass some fake guilt onto me (and my type of people) to try to get different crowds up in the middle of richmond hill (which is highly inaccessible for most people anyway), except for the high asian concentration nearby.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Agreed but i dont think that most people are being racist per se when they refer to "asians" at guv or viva. I think it's the type of asians that go to certain clubs in toronto that are being referred to. You dont really see 50 year old white people on drugs being overtly rude at a club (unless u go to the horseshoe tavern i guess LOL). Agreed that referring to those people as "asians" paints all asians with a bad brush however in the EDM scene in toronto the overly sketchbag ones make up a vast majority of the asian EDM clubbing community. And that makes it hard for the others such as yourself. Again i dont agree with the label, but im trying to illustrate for you why that label is hung on "asians" as it pertains to toronto's dance club culture and why it's not always a racist comment. I can understand your frustration though. Id personally hate to be lumped in with that crowd. YUCK!

w3rd.


and asian chicks are crazy... err not chiclet or lisa. they are cool err, maybe I should change that to viet girls?

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Originally posted by Dr. Z Please don't call me ignorant. You might be taken seriously after that. And lets be honest here. Why do you care? Did the promoter/owner pay (force) you to 'better' the reputation? If this has nothing to do with that, why would you care after that? You wanna fix the sterotype of your own type of people at viva? Why not all asians in general? Why is the crowd at viva so important? As far as I know there has never been an issue or a (serious) race issue at viva. We live in an international city. There are many races here, and hateful (or discriminating) racism doesn't exist here anymore. Everyone just chooses to go wherever they please. So please dont try to pass some fake guilt onto me (and my type of people) to try to get different crowds up in the middle of richmond hill (which is highly inaccessible for most people anyway), except for the high asian concentration nearby.

LOL

Give me a break. "Your type" of people and "my type" of people? (Um, I grew up in Willowdale) Fortunately for me and most people in the city and in this forum, I don't think of race in that way. And I'm not trying to do anything for any reputation. I never denied that there are some rude people at Viva. Nothing in my post even hints of protecting a reputation of any sort.

I'm not talking about "hateful racism". I'm talking about promoting negative stereotypes or any stereotypes in general. That, and I don't like being lumped in with "my" so-called people (for the record, my firends come in all shapes, sizes, colours, and types) just on the basis of skin colour. Brown, white, yellow, green... the point is that none of it should matter and when people say things like "there are too many asians" it might sway ignoramuses to think that race does matter. The only thing that bothers me is that it's annoying when people generalize on the basis of something that is TOTALLY arbirtrary.

And, I said you SOUND ignorant, not that you necessarily are, but from the looks of your reading comprehension skills... it can't help.

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Originally posted by Euphorica w3rd. and asian chicks are crazy... err not chiclet or lisa. they are cool err, maybe I should change that to viet girls?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 no one should tolerate sketchbags of any kind.. they ruin the party

My point exactly.

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I had a convo with an young Asian-American guy named Will one night.

WE were at Cox and Tenaglia, and Tenaglia brings out the MOST skethcy old asian crowd in nyc.

He came over and sat down next to me and proclaimed "God I fucken hate Asian people!" (again, this was beyond the most sketchy, pushy rude crowd I have ever been to).

I was laughing at him because he was asian, but we ended up having a nice chit chat. What is comes down to, is that most people have a lot of love and respect for the young asian-merican crowd (i have plenty of AMAZING friends in this bracket).

They are just some good people, but both whites and asians (and whoever) tend to get really pissy about those old asshole asians that are fobs and comepletely rude. YOu know the ones that fall all over you, push you, and crawl outta the speakers liek zombies at 12 am or later.

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I respect you and I respect all the different cultures, Im not a racist, and I've never made any harsh comments regarding any race, but you and I have to admit that
asians are the ones who get most fucked up on drugs! I cant believe you've never noticed that! Has any of us made any offensive comments about asian people in general? NO. asian people are awesome. I love asian people! BUT when you go to the clubs....
there are stupid ginos, there are shitfaced russians, there are fucked-on-everything asians, there are snobby look-at-my-fake-tits *insert the background*. So what? Do we have to love them all?

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Been to Viva several times, and had a good time for the most part. Most of them will look at you a little skewed at the begining, but if you approach people normally, they're nice and welcoming, for the most part.

I'm sure that whatever race, ethnicity, or group make comments about some other group, conversely that other group in all likelihood makes comments as well. I have never looked at race as an issue, or even something that should be noticed, and as such have hung out with many people of all backgrounds, and I've found that each and every group makes just as many prejudiced and racist comments as the next, be they white, black, asian, japanese, whatever...
I don't really like the direction of this thread, because it supports the stereotype that the most racist people always seem to be white, and this really irritates me. I'm Caucasian, and I've genuinely attempted to live my life bias-free. I've seen racism in forms people in North America won't really understand or comprehend, and I've come to consider it a personal fact that all races are equally guilty of it.

There is just one problem that I have with Viva...the security. They're a bunch of jerks, and usually for no reason. Further, they hardly actually provide security of any means. On three separate occasions I was there with some friends. When you go out the back (dunno if they still do this in winter) and outside into the 'smoking' section, there were some seriously aggressive people. They were in fact standing on the outside of the fence, but clearly they knew one or two of the bouncers, and were literally trying to pick fights and slander people that were comming outside. What did the bouncers do...sit back and laugh. F***ers.

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Originally posted by Sasha BUT when you go to the clubs.... there are stupid ginos, there are shitfaced russians, there are fucked-on-everything asians, there are snobby look-at-my-fake-tits *insert the background*. So what? Do we have to love them all?

Amen.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I'm half asian

Top half or bottom?

Every stereotype has some basis in reality.

Having said that, stereotypes are often taken too far, as Chiclet has correctly pointed out.

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