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Originally posted by rabbitjoker People need to spend a little less time worrying about how Saddam was executed and focus a lot more on what this man did to be sentenced to death in the first place.

When I was 8 years old living in Israel he was sending Scud missiles that were landing all around me...literally. The closest one fell less than a kilometer away from where I was living...and for what? And that was nothing compared to what he did to the Kurds and other minorities. I agree with RJ, we should focus on his disgusting deeds.

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Originally posted by ItalianPoiSon HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT not even cnn has got that....

cnn has it...but wont show it

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Originally posted by MarkT I didn't even watch it... IMHO, gawking at the execution of a human being is disgusting and this thread should be deleted by the thread starter or a mod. they don't allow news crews in for a reason...taping an execution and releasing it to the public is morally and legally reprehensible. IMHO, the person who leaked it should face as serious a legal sanction as is allowed under the law. capital punishment is, IMHO, barbaric enough without assholes like this guy turning it into a spectacle after the fact. disgusting.

I didn't watch it either, and I agree with everything you said 100%.
i couldn't have said it better myself.

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Saddam considered himself a martyr....hangings generally involve the hangee to be covered with a hood. He requested not to wear a hood so people could see his face as he was hung.

As barbaric as we may see it, I think it is safe to say Saddam and his supporters would relish the fact we are all watching this video after he is dead.

^^^ what does that have to do with circulating a video of him being hung?

So if this was a video of an innocent man being hung, or even a "normal" death row inmate, then we could debate the morality behind illegally taking a video of their executiona and having it circulate over the net...but because it's an evil dictator, we can't have that debate?

I see.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker If you want to talk about public display - how about the public display of gassing an entire region with poisonous gas? Can't get much more public than seeing your family, neighbors or friends die around you.

lol, come on...that's an absurd reply. Circulating an execution on the internet, like it's a spectacle, isn't "evil" on the level of gassing a people...but I find it morally reprehensible nonetheless (not to mention that the video was illegaly taken and I hope the person is charged/convicted).

Bringing that up is not a logical retort to discussing whether it's right to circulate the video of his hanging.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Nor should he be. Bush has NEVER directly ordered the genocide of any people. Bush has authorized a military invasion - there is a BIG difference. There is a black and white difference between Bush and Saddam.

of course there is...and you know I'm not equating the two.

Bush's authorization DIRECTLY resulted in the deaths and displacement of countless civilians...and the aftermath of the illegal invasion is a mess of a country that may not regain stability for years.

do you honestly feel that he, and other senior officials, should face NO consequence for this, other than to possibly see their party defeated the next election?

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker I won't watch the video... It is interesting however that people are focusing more on the death of this one murderer and not the 100,000+ that he was responsible for killing.

i think it's because ppl expected more civility coming from those opposed to what he's done..

nonetheless, i've made the choice of watching an execution video of the beheading of an American hostage by Iraqi insurgents. It made me sick to my stomach and i won't watch another video like this again.

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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ what does that have to do with circulating a video of him being hung? So if this was a video of an innocent man being hung, or even a "normal" death row inmate, then we could debate the morality behind illegally taking a video of their executiona and having it circulate over the net...but because it's an evil dictator, we can't have that debate? I see.

Debate all you want, that isn't my point.
My point is....even after he is dead, he is still being highly talked about/watched in the Western world. I am just saying supporters of Saddam may or may not see the distribution of this video as a moral victory.

Video transcript/translation (stolen from the c0r thread):

Saddam (as the noose is put around his neck): Ya Allah (Oh God).
Someone in the audience: Mercy be on those who pray for Mohammed and the household of Muhammed (Everyone repeats the prayer, including Saddam) -
Executioner and two people in the audience: ... And hasten his return (the Mahdi), curse his enemy and grant victory to his son, Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada! (This is a common Sadrist chant.)
Saddam (smirking): Muqtada? Is this your manhood? (unclear)
NSA Muwafaq Al-Rubai'i: To Hell!
Saddam: (laughing) ... and disgrace to you. (unintelligible)
Prosecutor Munqidh Al-Far'awn: Please, no.
Muwafaq Al-Rubai'i: Longlive Mohammed Baqir Al-Sadr! (shi'a cleric executed by Saddam's regime)
Someone in the audience: To Hell!
Prosecutor Munqidh Al-Far'awn: No. Please, no. I beg you. The man is in an execution.
Saddam (solemnly recites the Shahada prayer): I witness that there is no god but Allah, and that Mohammed is the messenger of Allah. I witness that there is no god but Allah, and that Mohammed is the-- (trap door is opened).
Audience (in unison): Prayers for Mohammed and the household of Muhammed.
Someone: The tyrant has fell. May Allah's curse be upon him.
Someone: May Allah's curse be upon him.
(commotion in the hall)
Someone: No. No. Stay back.
Someone: Leave him for 8 minutes, boys. Don't take him down.
Someone: Everyone. Stay back. Everyone. Back.

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Beheading video = gruesome, violent, disgusting.

Hanging video = shaky, awful camera work, you barely see him drop. It's really nothing.

What is something of the video is the audio that was translated with the people in the room jeering at him and people explaining to "let him hang for 3 minutes".

Glorified? Yes, naturally in today's media something of this nature is glorified. Look how widespread it was in a matter of hours.

Necessary to see? Not at all.

Disgusting and revolting because someone dies? There are far worse video's out there. But this is in no way educational or could bring 'closure' to anyone to seeing it.

Side Note (OT): Why is it that every video from the middle east has the worst camera people/persons on the planet? Is it really that hard to hold your hand steady? Seriously, I don't care if it's filming a flash flood, or filming you and your buddies doing donuts in the sand: Learn to hold a camera steady for everyone else who's watching what you post.

Edit: the translation above isn't correct on many different levels. I would love to see a source of that translation.

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Originally posted by Chris Allen Edit: the translation above isn't correct on many different levels. I would love to see a source of that translation.

I stole that from a post in the c0r thread...
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...240#post7178240

Source unknown... I'll see if I can find another from a reputable source.

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Originally posted by Chris Allen Edit: the translation above isn't correct on many different levels. I would love to see a source of that translation.

Actually, the translation is accurate.
You can Google it, it’s posted all over the net.

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