while I probably don't eat some form of meat everyday.....i definitely cannot live without it.

i mean, how could you pass up the following items:

Steak
Hamburgers & variations of said patty
Spaghetti w/ Meat Sauce
Italian Sausage
Chicken Strips
Bacon


i mean, shit the list goes on and on

The automatic systems in your body are constantly hunting down and killing foreign entities. We must kill to live.

If you eat a seed you're killing. If you eat a sprout it dies in your mouth. If you eat a carrot it loses the opportunity to seed and reproduce.

Vegans are horrible mindless killers.

SAVE A VEGGIE, EAT A VEGAN

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I think what vegans object to is purposefully causing animals pain, not just "killing."

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I think what vegans object to is purposefully causing animals pain, not just "killing."

Then we would be talking about how animals are killed for food, not THAT they are killed.

I'm not an expert at raising livestock, but I believe that some animals are dispatched in a fairly low-stress way. Compare that to being taken down by a cougar or a pack of wolves who start eating before you're dead.

I'm reminded of the scene from Cold Mountain where the herbalist/hermit woman gently and lovingly cuts the throat of her goat. I understand not wanting to cause undo suffering to anything, but if that were the real concern vegans would spend their time working towards better techniques for killing animals.

Eat what you want, but don't be a hypocrite.

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I'm not an expert at raising livestock, but I believe that some animals are dispatched in a fairly low-stress way.

Not really, no.

On a more general note, many people seem to have the mistaken idea that there is an "easy" and "pain-free" way to die. Except for perhaps clean, extremely quick decapitation, this is false.

The body will struggle with all of its strength before giving up, and it will be painful.

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I understand not wanting to cause undo suffering to anything, but if that were the real concern vegans would spend their time working towards better techniques for killing animals.

There is also the concern of "using" entire species solely for food.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Not really, no. On a more general note, many people seem to have the mistaken idea that there is an "easy" and "pain-free" way to die. Except for perhaps clean, extremely quick decapitation, this is false. The body will struggle with all of its strength before giving up, and it will be painful. There is also the concern of "using" entire species solely for food.

Example: Moo.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Not really, no. On a more general note, many people seem to have the mistaken idea that there is an "easy" and "pain-free" way to die. Except for perhaps clean, extremely quick decapitation, this is false. The body will struggle with all of its strength before giving up, and it will be painful. There is also the concern of "using" entire species solely for food.

Do you have sources to back up the claim that no painless way of killing exists? Come to think of it, it isn't reasonable to consider completely eliminating all pain from the process. Pain and fear is a part of daily life, focusing on a very short duration of pain is more reasonable.

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Originally posted by Ed G Do you have sources to back up the claim that no painless way of killing exists?

If you can think of a way of killing that would be entirely painless, I would be interested to know.

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Originally posted by Ed G Come to think of it, it isn't reasonable to consider completely eliminating all pain from the process. Pain and fear is a part of daily life, focusing on a very short duration of pain is more reasonable.

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plants feel pain too.

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Maybe so, but probably not in anything like the way animals do, since they have no nervous system.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Maybe so, but probably not in anything like the way animals do, since they have no nervous system.

When considering quality of life I don't focus on the last few moments. Why think in terms of nerve function exclusively? I think in terms of potential. What is the potential of the pecan I'm eating? Instead of becoming a majestic tree living and producing offspring for a century, I turn it into shit so that I may live.

I wouldn't piss off the vegetal world if I were you.

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