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Originally posted by Psy-T doubtlessly the meditating fella. also, i wouldn't group positive thinking with meditation, especially in regards to changing neural pathways, an action i'm thoroughly convinced can be done via meditation, but not via positive thinking (or at the very most, to a much lower extent via positive thinking). repeating actions creates new neural pathways, avoiding actions abolishes neural pathways (admittedly the latter takes longer).

doubtlessly? doubtlessly? obviously the word must mean something different in israel. ok then, you go tell someone with bipolar or schizophrenia that all they need to do is meditate to control their illness. seriously psy-t, what a load of horseshit

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN doubtlessly? doubtlessly? obviously the word must mean something different in israel. ok then, you go tell someone with bipolar or schizophrenia that all they need to do is meditate to control their illness. seriously psy-t, what a load of horseshit

i recently saw some show on discovery or national geographic where they brought a buddhist monk from tibet who has spent more than 20 years doing meditation and such to an MRI scan where he was asked to exhibit his control over his emotions regardless of circumstances, by request. the scientists said 'generate happiness' and no matter everything else, he generated what is commonly regarded by the scientists as a 'happy reading' in MRI scans, they asked him to be angry, and right there and then he was angry according to the MRI, so they went through the common emotions they research and he showed absolute control, to less than 5 seconds of notice.

beyond that, i can do the same because i've had my own share of practice, though 1. it takes me quite a bit more time than it does him, and 2. i haven't had an MRI.


as for your hypothetical suggestion, bring over a bipolar man and a schizophrenic man who are both capable of meditation and i'll send you back two healthy men. good luck finding them.

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Meditation can also allow you to resist physical pain:



Thich Quang Duc, one of the Vietnamese monks who burned himself, never moved as he burned to death.

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Originally posted by Psy-T as for your hypothetical suggestion, bring over a bipolar man and a schizophrenic man who are both capable of meditation and i'll send you back two healthy men. good luck finding them.

thats exactly my point. plus, even if they were capable of such, there is no evidence to suggest they could overcome their diseases any more than meditating can cure AIDS.

your argument requires your monk to have bipolar to be valid

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN thats exactly my point. plus, even if they were capable of such, there is no evidence to suggest they could overcome their diseases any more than meditating can cure AIDS. your argument requires your monk to have bipolar to be valid

eh? i didn't argue for bipolars at any point here. you offered bipolars and schizophrenics in your hypothetical and i nullified that point

we're talking about depression here, and depression can and is being resolved via meditative and introspective techniques on a daily basis around the world. though it seems the trend is to stop that, and just hand people addictive pills instead.

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Originally posted by Psy-T eh? i didn't argue for bipolars at any point here. you offered bipolars and schizophrenics in your hypothetical and i nullified that point

how'd you nullify it? by talking about an unrelated monk who had neither condition?

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Originally posted by Psy-T we're talking about depression here, and depression can and is being resolved via meditative and introspective techniques on a daily basis around the world. though it seems the trend is to stop that, and just hand people addictive pills instead.

im not denying meditation and non-drug treatment can help. im doubting that those that have a biological cause for their depression are going to be helped much by hugging trees and going to their happy place.

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im not denying meditation and non-drug treatment can help. im doubting that those that have a biological cause for their depression are going to be helped much by hugging trees and going to their happy place.

It's true.

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Originally posted by jennypie It's true.

eh? whats true? that hugging trees helps or those with biological depressive issues (such as bipolar) are better helped with stabilising medication?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN how'd you nullify it? by talking about an unrelated monk who had neither condition?

are you being dense on purpose or something? i nullified it by noting how the people from your hypothetical are in an overhwleming most of the cases incapable of using the methods in question, hence they're irrelevant, or in other words, the hypothetical you suggested has been nullified.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN eh? whats true? that hugging trees helps or those with biological depressive issues (such as bipolar) are better helped with stabilising medication?

Sorry...that people with biological disorders are better helped with meds.

i was once in line for movie tickets and someone pushed me from behind and i turned around and was like "hey who the hell do u think u are?"
and he replied "a psychiatrist"