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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I'm not saying our theories are wrong or don't apply or that they aren't both useful and elegant. I'm saying that as populations continue to boom and we continue to expand and perhaps create AI models to cross analyze more and more data, we'll start to see all the discrepencies come up and potential solutions be applied. They will most likely accomplish this by creating multiple overlapping matrices of potential models of understanding that both include and cut out the observer. I'd say in the next 2000 years or so. As for dark matter.. I'm not fond of it. And yes, I do have my own thoughts to alternative possibilities. By the way, mathematics is nothing definitive either. It's a language structure, and it's *completely* a layer of abstraction. If you've got two objects, lets say apples, then the apples are real and the fact that there are two is true, but the mathematical principle that they are there to be labeled as such is purely an ingenius abstract human conception. Keep in mind that mathematics are always being added to, so we're using what we've currently got. No one has ever seen a "two", but we know through conditioning what the mathematical architecture means and how to apply it. This in itself has helped mold our consciousness to a new level. There are some cultures in Africa that have no system of mathematics and actually can't count at all; to them, it simply doesn't exist in their consciousness, and the results are interesting. This is how consciousness itself is our software that is upgraded based on the level of data we keep and pass on; it can go anywhere depending on what we decide to believe and what technologies we come up with. We didn't HAVE to have the telephone; but it made the most sense in this particular system we're in (Earth). And by the way, to continue the analogy, our software can effect our hardware. That is to say: thinking in new and different ways stimulates different parts of the brain and builds different neural nets and cell structures, which leads to changes in the flow of blood/etc which in itself can help incite evolution. There's a lot more to all of this than we know, and it's really quite arrogant to assume still that we're the center of the universe; we take for granted the falsehood that we "know everything", just as humans have done since recorded history. This is how quantum physics builds a link between an abstract space of fields of possibility floating "out there", and the matter and energy that populates the actual universe. So where is your consciousness located? The part of you that "thinks"? Is it an actual object, is it an abstraction "out there", or is it.. in-between?

LOL, now I remember exactly why I switched from philosophy to chemistry.

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