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Shakka
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Originally posted by star-traveller
2 Shakka:
How many Russian journals did you read before coming up with that judgment?


I don't speak Russian, silly!

Old Post Jan-18-2007 19:44  United States
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star-traveller
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I don't speak Russian, silly!


Well, I can open another big secret for you. They have people who speaks English.

Old Post Jan-18-2007 19:47  Europe
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Shakka
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Well, I can open another big secret for you. They have people who speaks English.


Cool. Maybe you could take some lessons from them!

Old Post Jan-18-2007 19:51  United States
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Cool. Maybe you could take some lessons from them!


Yeah! But you know, it's pity that they don't teach Americanish language.

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Shakka
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Okay okay--enough fun and games. The topic of this thread has to do with Venezuela and Chavez. From yesterday's WSJ (another yellow-journalist piece of shit on part with David Duke?)

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Hugo and Mahmoud
January 17, 2007; Page A18

We've known for some time that Hugo Chávez is a menace to the economic well-being of his own people. But the question that seems increasingly urgent is whether he's becoming a threat to U.S. security interests -- both in the Western Hemisphere and beyond.

Specifically, we'd like to know what Senator Chris Dodd and Congressman Bill Delahunt make of Mr. Chávez's weekend summit with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The Iranian President stopped by Caracas on Saturday as part of a four-day engagement with Latin America's new leftist governments. On Sunday, the Iranian communed with Nicaragua's new boss, Daniel Ortega, and then on Monday he hit the inauguration of Ecuador's new pro-Chávez President Rafael Correa.
[H C]

The Caracas visit was Mr. Ahmadinejad's second in four months. "This is just a prelude of what we will do," declared Mr. Chávez, in a televised speech announcing the creation of a joint $2 billion fund to finance development and other projects. "This large and strategic fund, brother, is going to be converted into a mechanism of liberation," he added, saying their goal is to build "a network of alliances."

In Managua, the Iranian also signed a "broad cooperation accord" with Mr. Ortega. Mr. Chávez openly funded the Sandinista's Presidential campaign last year, and he earlier supported Evo Morales in Bolivia. Venezuelan soldiers have reported that they are under orders to give Colombian rebels safe haven, and Mr. Chávez signed contracts last year to buy Russian MiGs and open a Kalishnakov factory at home.

Meanwhile, the Venezuelan is using his recent election victory to consolidate his grip on the economy. A week ago, he announced he would nationalize the country's electricity and telephone companies; he already controls the oil business. His goal here is to redistribute income but especially to shrink the private economy in order to reduce the space in which any political opposition can operate.

The Caracas Stock Exchange Index fell 16% last week, but that didn't phase Seńor Chávez. He's moving to withdraw the license of a prominent independent television network, and he has asked Congress to grant him temporary executive power to rule by decree. "The world should know: Our revolution is not turning back," he said. "This is the path our boat is on: socialism. Country, socialism, or death."

The world should have known this a long time ago but too many people chose to ignore it. Mr. Chávez took office in 1999 on a promise to end corruption and injustice. By 2000, human rights groups warned of a deterioration in constitutional protections, and Mr. Chávez began importing Cuban security agents along with Cuban doctors and teachers to spread propaganda.

Each time Mr. Chávez has faced resistance, he has tightened the screws. Price and capital controls and property seizures became state policy. Employees of the state-owned oil company and its contractors were fired if they opposed the government; political opponents were jailed.

All the while, Mr. Chávez has had American enablers who excused his growing repression, or blamed it on a reaction to U.S. policy. Foremost among them has been Mr. Dodd, who has defended Mr. Chávez as "democratically elected" despite his clear trend toward authoritarianism. In 2004, the circumstances surrounding a recall referendum were so anti-democratic that the European Union refused to act as an observer. Jimmy Carter nonetheless blessed the outcome amid heavy irregularities, and the U.S. State Department endorsed the process. Other politicians, such as Mr. Delahunt, embraced and flattered Mr. Chávez for his PR stunt of offering cut-rate oil to poor Americans.

Perhaps it's time these Americans paid attention to the kind of "socialism" and "revolution" that their support is helping Mr. Chávez to build in Venezuela.

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The most terrible thing is that some of them are looking inside,
BUT inside some yellow-junk on an example of The Economist.
And after that, they're making theories based on that information, don't even bother to look in any other source.

2 Shakka:
How many Russian journals did you read before coming up with that judgment?


Another great example is how every single western-based journal talks about how Zhirinovskiy is a Russia's next Nazi leader yet he always condemns the skinheads, ultra-nationalist parties and those that try to otherthrow the state, saying that those same coommunists "overthrew" the government and created tyranny. I still dont get their rationale for that. Not at all.

I dont care much for Chavez because even though he won elections fairly, he as a communist has an evil agenda in mind. Eventually all the lies will surface, like they did with Soviet Union.


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Chavez because even though he won elections fairly, he as a communist has an evil agenda in mind.

you can't be a communist wearing rolexes and versachi suits.

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Shakka
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you can't be a communist wearing rolexes and versachi suits.


Versace...


Sure you can--they're called heads of state. Even Kim Jong Ill wears those silly Paris Hilton sunglasses. But otherwise, you are correct.

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What, is there specific rules that for example if capitalists invented the car communists cant drive it?

Its the plitical ideology, my friend, and it has nothing to do with the clothes you wear or music you listen to, FOR example.


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metalgearsolid
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What, is there specific rules that for example if capitalists invented the car communists cant drive it?

Its the plitical ideology, my friend, and it has nothing to do with the clothes you wear or music you listen to, FOR example.


NO! Communists represent the workers and if you wear expensive clothing that profits the capitalist more than the worker. Than you are going against your own political ideology.

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