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Originally posted by Radical~Enigma Hmmm, i'm inclined to disagree. Rap sucks. Seriously. It's a bunch of no talent thugs that either go on "singing" about how great they are, how many bitches they got, or just throwing out how they will rape your mom. No ACTUAL musical inclination there. Seriously, I think Beethoven rolls in his grave when a rap "artist" wins an award for "Best album of the year". It's an insult to music, and I think it's driving our society into a downward spiral where the common man only becomes a loud, blabbering idiot. Seriously, "talking to a beat" and throwing out a long slew of obscenities does NOT make you a "musical artist". Rap is really the lowest form of music.

o wow.... just because the mainstream side of todays rap is shit that doesnt make all of it bad. how are you gonna say that a song like grandmaster flash - the message isnt brilliant? educate yourself kid

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Originally posted by RapidFire o wow.... just because the mainstream side of todays rap is shit that doesnt make all of it bad. how are you gonna say that a song like grandmaster flash - the message isnt brilliant? educate yourself kid

Hmmmm, I guess you do pose a good point. Then let me rephrase.

50 Cent, Eminem, and other artists of that nature are the decay of western society. But I suppose ALL rap isn't bad. Just all that shit you hear on most radios now a days.

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well same goes for todays trance

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Originally posted by RapidFire well same goes for todays trance

Meh I suppose, but I don't hear much Trance on the radio, so I haven't heard too much of the recent stuff. But stuff like Chicane, BT, ATB, etc, have SO much more class than most rap artists today.

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Originally posted by Radical~Enigma Hmmm, i'm inclined to disagree. Rap sucks. Seriously. It's a bunch of no talent thugs that either go on "singing" about how great they are, how many bitches they got, or just throwing out how they will rape your mom.

That is obviously not true and a dumb generalisation.

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Seriously, I think Beethoven rolls in his grave when a rap "artist" wins an award for "Best album of the year".

I think Beethoven rolls in his grave when his name is uttered by stupid people.

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I think it's driving our society into a downward spiral where the common man only becomes a loud, blabbering idiot.

Are you sure? That sounds alarming.

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Seriously, "talking to a beat" and throwing out a long slew of obscenities does NOT make you a "musical artist". Rap is really the lowest form of music.

And why is that?

Trance isn't that much more musically complex than rap, even the popular rap songs. Doesn't mean that either genre is "bad," though.

I can't stand all the machismo and inane boasting in rap either. It's lame. But that's not all that rap's about, and there's a lot more rap than the stupid shit that gets radio play, so you shouldn't dismiss the whole genre.

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Originally posted by Radical~Enigma Meh I suppose, but I don't hear much Trance on the radio, so I haven't heard too much of the recent stuff. But stuff like Chicane, BT, ATB, etc, have SO much more class than most rap artists today.

okay ill bite. chicane hasnt put out anything decent since Behind The Sun which was almost 7 years ago and ATB has been and always will be cheese with maybe a few listenable tunes. BT is really the only one youve mentioned thats been doing anything good recently but it has nothing to do with trance...

You know, if you don't like my opinion, that's fine and all. And your opinion of people you don't really know is your own deal. So if you think i'm stupid, then good for you. But the truth(to me) is that modern day rap is not music. Stereotypes and generalizations exist for a reason. Why? Because they came from somewhere. Most rap artists now a days try to give off the image that they are dangerous, and they make horrible use of the English language. So while I am generalizing and stereotyping here, it's cause that's what there is an abundance of. Shitty rap artists with no musical inclination. And the fact that they make millions with their lack of musical talent, just sickens me.

Rap is just as bad as Pop music in our modern day. 50cent or whatever is just as fucking bad as Britney Spears. Their commonality is that they both don't have talent.

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Originally posted by RapidFire okay ill bite. chicane hasnt put out anything decent since Behind The Sun which was almost 7 years ago and ATB has been and always will be cheese with maybe a few listenable tunes. BT is really the only one youve mentioned thats been doing anything good recently but it has nothing to do with trance...

This is true Trance hasn't been that good lately. But that's why I stick to old trance, as well as other things. For instance, I listen to Delerium. Their new album, Nuages Du Monde, is just the latest proof of their musical talent. It's good stuff.

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Originally posted by Radical~Enigma But the truth(to me) is that modern day rap is not music.

"Truth (to you)?" Sorry, you don't get to have your own truth; there's just the truth, not "your truth" or "my truth" or anybody else's "personal truth."

So why do you think that rap isn't music? What definition of "music" are you using?

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Stereotypes and generalizations exist for a reason. Why?

Because most humans are really, really cognitively lazy and will use broad (and often incorrect) generalizations in place of thorough and careful thought whenever they think they can get away with it.

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Rap is just as bad as Pop music in our modern day. 50cent or whatever is just as fucking bad as Britney Spears. Their commonality is that they both don't have talent.

Talent at what? If we're going purely by abundance of "musicality," ability to write and play series of tones that work out musically complex and engaging ideas, then trance isn't where it's at for the most part, either. I agree, Britney doesn't have a lot of talent. I don't even think that many of her fans would consider her all that talented compared to other female vocalists, although I could be wrong about that. But talent at writing or performing music isn't the be-all-end-all of why people can legitimately take an interest in a genre of music.

If talent is your only or main criterion for being interested in a genre of music, then go listen to classical music and jazz all the time, with maybe some math / prog rock, post-rock, and IDM on the side.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "Truth (to you)?" Sorry, you don't get to have your own truth; there's just the truth, not "your truth" or "my truth" or anybody else's "personal truth." So why do you think that rap isn't music? What definition of "music" are you using? Because most humans are really, really cognitively lazy and will use broad (and often incorrect) generalizations in place of thorough and careful thought whenever they think they can get away with it. Talent at what? If we're going purely by abundance of "musicality," ability to write and play series of tones that work out musically complex and engaging ideas, then trance isn't where it's at for the most part, either. I agree, Britney doesn't have a lot of talent. I don't even think that many of her fans would consider her all that talented compared to other female vocalists, although I could be wrong about that. But talent at writing or performing music isn't the be-all-end-all of why people can legitimately take an interest in a genre of music.

Well, i know i'm not being too fair here, but in all honesty... every single human being has a bias of some sort. Maybe that makes them less open-minded, but it's their bias. When I say talent, i'm strictly referring to the artists ability to write either fun or meaningful lyrics in a rhythmic fashion while keeping either a simple or complex beat, but still maintaining a GOOD, strong vocal base. Britney Spears has a terrible voice. She doesn't even write her own music. Some rap artists write their own music, which is somewhat respectable, but their vocals are really bad(in my opinion), and their lyrics hold no meaning to society. How does "rapin' dat bitch" or whatever hold ANY good value or meaning? I know i'm generealizing, but when i hear RAP (not R&B), I hear nothing but messages of hate. How is that talent?

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