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Originally posted by Lilith Well I guess thats a roundabout way of ignoring facts on media ownership if ever there was.

There's many media networks in Russia, just like in Canada or USA. And its up to the viewers to decide which ones they want to watch or hear. Couple rich white guys own most of the media in North America, like Murdock, and we all know which direction some of his networks like Fox are going into.

The situation with media in Russia is not much different than in USA, its just what the western media covers of Russian media thats crucial for the western viewer.

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Originally posted by Dopey Chechnya, supplying arms to Iran

Here's another poor western media coverage of Chechnya. Russian military has already been withdrawn from Chechnya because the war is over. The only Russian trooops in Chechnya left are border troops and internal security forces (MVD) to find and apprehend any remaining small pockets of rebels. Otherwise, its in Iraq where the situation is escalating, in Chechnya its relatively quiet.

So what that Russia supplies arms to Iran - like dont tell me that United States doesnt supply arms to warring factions around the world - the 1980s Iran-Iraq war is a perfect example. United States is the world's number one weapons exporter.

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Originally posted by Dopey Chechnya, supplying arms to Iran

Wake up dude. War in Chechnya was over in 2001.

Supplying arms to Iran, doesn't make Russia to be at war with anybody.

If you want to start bashing Russia, find some more strong arguments first.

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Originally posted by star-traveller I don't understand Lilith, what's a problem with media ownership? FOX is owned by some corporation and they loyal to the White House, I don't see anybody complaining on that

Oh, old Rupert is loyal only to old Rupert and whover will let him buy more media, keep his taxes low and and for that he gives the governments money so they can run their election campaigns.
Scream all the outrage you want, its how it works in the US.

What the problem with media ownership is...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium There's many media networks in Russia, just like in Canada or USA. And its up to the viewers to decide which ones they want to watch or hear. Couple rich white guys own most of the media in North America, like Murdock, and we all know which direction some of his networks like Fox are going into. The situation with media in Russia is not much different than in USA, its just what the western media covers of Russian media thats crucial for the western viewer.

There a many TV stations in Russia, who are part of Networks and essentially one and the same, especially when the three largest of those networks are owned by Putin's mates.
See now, they don't even have to give kickbacks during their terms, shoot or expel anyone for re-election advertising, its all there for free.

If western media coverage is so 'poor' as you so often seem to keep making a repetitive complaint about, then perhaps you can tell me where an outside media source gets its information from in Russia?
No, dont bother, during nasty things like the war with Chechnya, certain hostage situations gone to hell and fairly much anything else the western world would be free to take pictures of, it did indeed paint Russia in a poor light.
So, they started an information department.
This department issues all official press releases to foreign journalists working in Russia on fairly much anything important.
So, if the coverage is poor, then perhaps its time to look at the source.

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Originally posted by star-traveller I don't see who else want and have enough resources to invest into Russia media now.

Course you don't.
Russia passed/or passing some laws which prohibited more than 25% of foreign nationals from investing in their media industry. There are plenty of people with the money in the world and plenty of investers lined up to buy what they can, but we're not allowed to.
The reason they don't want to is because then they'd be at the mercy of foreign investors for their own personal political campaigns, propoganda and favorable advertising.

So no
Russian media industry is not like the US

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Originally posted by Lilith ... Course you don't. Russia passed/or passing some laws which prohibited more than 25% of foreign nationals from investing in their media industry. There are plenty of people with the money in the world and plenty of investers lined up to buy what they can, but we're not allowed to. ...

Do you have any links on materials on this matter?

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Originally posted by Lilith Oh, old Rupert is loyal only to old Rupert and whover will let him buy more media, keep his taxes low and and for that he gives the governments money so they can run their election campaigns. Scream all the outrage you want, its how it works in the US. What the problem with media ownership is... There a many TV stations in Russia, who are part of Networks and essentially one and the same, especially when the three largest of those networks are owned by Putin's mates. See now, they don't even have to give kickbacks during their terms, shoot or expel anyone for re-election advertising, its all there for free. If western media coverage is so 'poor' as you so often seem to keep making a repetitive complaint about, then perhaps you can tell me where an outside media source gets its information from in Russia? No, dont bother, during nasty things like the war with Chechnya, certain hostage situations gone to hell and fairly much anything else the western world would be free to take pictures of, it did indeed paint Russia in a poor light. So, they started an information department. This department issues all official press releases to foreign journalists working in Russia on fairly much anything important. So, if the coverage is poor, then perhaps its time to look at the source. Course you don't. Russia passed/or passing some laws which prohibited more than 25% of foreign nationals from investing in their media industry. There are plenty of people with the money in the world and plenty of investers lined up to buy what they can, but we're not allowed to. The reason they don't want to is because then they'd be at the mercy of foreign investors for their own personal political campaigns, propoganda and favorable advertising. So no Russian media industry is not like the US

Aaaaa. I see. So in United States if a media mogul [Murdoch] owns many TV networks, shows one-party's agenda, gives or receives kickbacks from his party, adores his political party, thats just his views and his agenda. But with Russian media it turns out, Putin's agents bought the media out, and are directly flowing Putin's propaganda to the people. Yeah, great way to show the American people how brutal the media situation in Russia is.

While in reality, as I said before, its just like in the States. Media moguls in Russia adore Putin and often show on mainstream television what they want. In either country, watching television, is biased. But the western viewers have been convinced that PPutin's agents own and run those networks. Thats just plain silly.

I prefer my news and media coverage online from at least 5 sources.

Oh, and yeah, I want to see that article allegedly prohibitng invests in Russian media (what kind of dumb idea is that anyhow to INVEST in Russian media, LOL - Russian media is a God knows how many billions of dollars a year industry - they dont need investments). They're wealthy filthy rich. These media moguls dont need your lousy dollars to invest, they throw money around as it is for lavish parties and own villas in France, for example

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Originally posted by star-traveller Do you have any links on materials on this matter?

Its a state run department set up in 1999 called 'Russian Information Center', its purpose was originally set up by the Ministry of Press and RIA NOVOSTI to disseminate an official view of the Chechnya war.
Course neither of you live there anymore so I don't know if it's still running, that and both of you have the luxury of being able to choose your media sources for much the same reason.

But essentially for 2006, Russia took out the #3 spot in the CPJ's 'most dangerous places to work for journalists' only behind Iraq and parts of North Africa.

Lilith, lets put it straight...Your quote:

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... Russia passed/or passing some laws which prohibited more than 25% of foreign nationals from investing in their media industry. ...

Please give me a link on a website with this news or on a law that PROHIBTS more than 25% of foreign nationals from investing in Russian media industry.

I just want to know is that a real fact, or it's just another lie about Russia.

Well it's not something I can exactly make up off the top of my head and besides, it's your bloody country, you should know better than I do what happens in it. Oh thats right you left.

This was roughly when I heard about it.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/e...0408_67180.html
When Lilith was entertaining delusions of granduer about owning a TV station somewhere in the world, then I looked into energy corps and it was even worse there...
Bit more digging around to see if it went through.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/5237.html
Passed 3 bills to deter foreign investment.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/5291.html
It pissed some people off as it was going to be a 50% stake -1share, instead it got much more restricted.

Course, Lilith still makes this up because she like's looking foolish on the internet and apparently has nothing better to do than make up stories.

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Originally posted by Lilith Well it's not something I can exactly make up off the top of my head and besides, it's your bloody country, you should know better than I do what happens in it. Oh thats right you left. This was roughly when I heard about it. http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/e...0408_67180.html When Lilith was entertaining delusions of granduer about owning a TV station somewhere in the world, then I looked into energy corps and it was even worse there... Bit more digging around to see if it went through. http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/5237.html Passed 3 bills to deter foreign investment. http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/5291.html It pissed some people off as it was going to be a 50% stake -1share, instead it got much more restricted. Course, Lilith still makes this up because she like's looking foolish on the internet and apparently has nothing better to do than make up stories.

Thats not a very good link, 6 years old actually. In Russia, things change fast in 6 years (that was the first year of Putin's presidency, btw). I dont see no restrictions in foreign investment in Russia - the truth is, many investors are too afraid to invest, especially after the Yukos trials (which did show the Yukos was involved in corruption schemes). And Gazprom is a government owned company that owns many companies. In a way, I am worried about Gazprom. But the matter of a fact is, the Gazprom's profits go into Russia, because its state owned = many billions of dollars. While Exxon Mobil's profits go into their company, and the executives. And they didnt buy out all the media in Russia, just the one TV network (its not like television is not biased in most places around the world). Its between choosing the lesser of the evils. With all the corruption and money mismanagement in Russia, Russian government needed a steady supply of income to fund the reforms, rebuilding of the country, the economy, you know it. And acquisition of Gazprom was a smart idea.

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I dont see no restrictions in foreign investment in Russia

Then you must be somewhat ignorant in the matters of economic investment. We arent scared by investing money in the place, we're restricted.
Suggestion- look harder, be objective rather than defensive.

If theres been no change to the law than it doesnt matter if its 6 years old or a 100. If there has been a change to the law, you go look it up. But essentially I'm done with this as a debate because theres no rebuttal, have a nice day.