Its not proven that the girl was killed by israeli soldiers.

some links that discuss this....
http://blog.camera.org/archives/2007/01/post_19.html
http://newsbusters.org/node/10302

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Funny. We can't cry about other innocents that get killed but cry about ONE girl and I'm the hypocrite....check.

Yup. You've demonstrated it ample times in the past; the only reason why I refrained from calling you out on it was purely out of mercy and to spare you the embarrasment. But I frankly don't care anymore since you've demonstrated numerous times how one shouldn't be concerned by it in your case. Once your arguments fail, which they almost always do, you resort to... I'm not even sure what to call it, but it's definetly not an argument.

Plus, your statement is fairly illogical and again demonstrates your total lack of understanding of the situation and inablity to argue. You're comparing contractors etc. being excecuted by extreme fundamentalist groups by people who's country is being bombarded and occupied for no justifiable reason with journalists/photographers who pose no threat being deliberately targetted and killed by the Israeli military. Ofcourse, the only threat they do pose is actually get information and facts out about the occupied territory. Israel obviously can't allow that.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yup. You've demonstrated it ample times in the past; the only reason why I refrained from calling you out on it was purely out of mercy and to spare you the embarrasment. But I frankly don't care anymore since you've demonstrated numerous times how one shouldn't be concerned by it in your case. Once your arguments fail, which they almost always do, you resort to... I'm not even sure what to call it, but it's definetly not an argument. Plus, your statement is fairly illogical and again demonstrates your total lack of understanding of the situation and inablity to argue. You're comparing contractors etc. being excecuted by extreme fundamentalist groups by people who's country is being bombarded and occupied for no justifiable reason with journalists/photographers who pose no threat being deliberately targetted and killed by the Israeli military. Ofcourse, the only threat they do pose is actually get information and facts out about the occupied territory. Israel obviously can't allow that.

Actually my agreement was quite simple and without confusing the issue with the need to drag in governments, war or terrorism.
It was one of universal humanitarian value; sorry if that went over your head...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Actually my agreement was quite simple and without confusing the issue with the need to drag in governments, war or terrorism. It was one of universal humanitarian value; sorry if that went over your head...

No, not really. It didn't have any context, or add weight to your argument in any way, but I've come to expect that from someone as confused as yourself. Plus, you're the last person who should be talking about "humanitarian value." You might not call yorself a neocon, but you're not terribly different from them eigther. I've never attempted to justify unnecessary force and immoral causes that involves far more violence, destruction, and bloodshed which conventional terrorism pales to comparison.

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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Originally posted by Cyrus King this death does not negate the fact that if the occupation is brutal and this girl wouldnt have died if Israel didnt colonize their land.

what about every Native person in North America that dies as a result of alcoholism? They would not have died if there wasn't a brutal occupation of North America. Are Canada and the U.S. going to pack up and move to Antarctica?

can we change the name of the thread to:

"10 Year Old Palestinian Girl Killed with Rock Thrown by Khalalalalalalala Clan Member to Ensure Middle East Unrest Continues" ???

Since the source of the title is not any more valid than the Israeli press. Thanks mods.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King this death does not negate the fact that if the occupation is brutal and this girl wouldnt have died if Israel didnt colonize their land.

conversely, she may have never been born either so, again, your bias, non-objectivity (as pointed out by EvilTree), and malice towards all things American and Israeli has flawed your argument...again.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No, not really. It didn't have any context, or add weight to your argument in any way, but I've come to expect that from someone as confused as yourself. Plus, you're the last person who should be talking about "humanitarian value." You might not call yorself a neocon, but you're not terribly different from them eigther. I've never attempted to justify unnecessary force and immoral causes that involves far more violence, destruction, and bloodshed which conventional terrorism pales to comparison.

But you'll condone the conventional terrorism as long it fights the Israeli government right?
What better way to try to sway opinion than to post a story about a little 10 year old girl getting killed, like it NEVER happens anywhere else, especially Israel even with thousands of rockets flying over head.
That's a-typical media smut and I would have thought you for one, were better than that.
I'm sure any one of us could dig up a media story regarding children or humanitarian suffering on either side but you know what? It's not needed you know why? Because we're all quite aware of the conflict and there's no need to shake the pom-poms for one side or the other; get some tact.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r But you'll condone the conventional terrorism as long it fights the Israeli government right?

No, unlike you I have principles. And I have the clarity of mind to see the blatantly obvious root cause of it, the occupation and theft of Palestine.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What better way to try to sway opinion than to post a story about a little 10 year old girl getting killed, like it NEVER happens anywhere else, especially Israel even with thousands of rockets flying over head. That's a-typical media smut and I would have thought you for one, were better than that. I'm sure any one of us could dig up a media story regarding children or humanitarian suffering on either side but you know what? It's not needed you know why? Because we're all quite aware of the conflict and there's no need to shake the pom-poms for one side or the other; get some tact.

I love your empty arguments. It only confirms how dishonest, brainwashed, and pathetic you truly are. It not about sides you degenerate fool, but about finding a peaceful AND just solution. I can see why that's such an incredibly difficult concept for someone such as yourself though, as it's clearly reflected in your definition of "patriotism." Grow the fuck up child. You're not in High School anymore, and Israel isn't your football team.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No, unlike you I have principles. And I have the clarity of mind to see the blatantly obvious root cause of it, the occupation and theft of Palestine. I love your empty arguments. It only confirms how dishonest, brainwashed, and pathetic you truly are. It not about sides you degenerate fool, but about finding a peaceful AND just solution. I can see why that's such an incredibly difficult concept for someone such as yourself though, as it's clearly reflected in your definition of "patriotism." Grow the fuck up child. You're not in High School anymore, and Israel isn't your football team.

You win teh prize!



Seriously though, just because I seemingly downplay one death, I'm all of a sudden, dishonst, brainwashed, degenerate and pathetic. wow.
That's a lot considering I'm only saying there's MANY deaths on both sides yet you continue down this road of moral authority like it only belongs somehow to the area of Palestine.
At least I don't have to use a girl's death to try and make a point at their expense.
Grow up. Right.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r You win teh prize! Seriously though, just because I seemingly downplay one death, I'm all of a sudden, dishonst, brainwashed, degenerate and pathetic. wow. That's a lot considering I'm only saying there's MANY deaths on both sides yet you continue down this road of moral authority like it only belongs somehow to the area of Palestine. At least I don't have to use a girl's death to try and make a point at their expense. Grow up. Right.

Are you really that fucking stupid?

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r But you'll condone the conventional terrorism as long it fights the Israeli government right? What better way to try to sway opinion than to post a story about a little 10 year old girl getting killed, like it NEVER happens anywhere else, especially Israel even with thousands of rockets flying over head. That's a-typical media smut and I would have thought you for one, were better than that. I'm sure any one of us could dig up a media story regarding children or humanitarian suffering on either side but you know what? It's not needed you know why? Because we're all quite aware of the conflict and there's no need to shake the pom-poms for one side or the other; get some tact.

Terrorism, by recent history, is a physical anti-government action anywhere in the world (independence movements are called terrorists as well). Patriot Act have shown this, and a broader definition of who a terrorist can be. By this definition you can call the American revolutionists fighting for independence in 1700s as terrorists. Palestinians want independence. They dont have tanks, airplanes, advanced missiles, GPS etc to fight Israelis. They saw that protesting, fighting with 50-year-old guns has no effect on Israel. So they are forced to used more savage methods of fighting, because these have shown effect in their struggle. I already highlighted this on at least 2 threads around here.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Are you really that fucking stupid?

So that's your rebuttal?
Calling names?
How typical; now grow up.

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