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Originally posted by Fast Turtle I don't think so. Culture changes through exposure, not through theory. How many kids who are Islamic do you think get mde fun of at their schools? How many of them do you think hate their parents and homeland for that?

so it's the parents fault?

No, I'm saying, kids love and trust their parents well above strangers, even if they're treated cruelly by others.

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

if there where no debate on this, i think it would be ok for gay to adopt.

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle I don't think so. Culture changes through exposure, not through theory. How many kids who are Islamic do you think get mde fun of at their schools?

I even knew a guy who was an Arab Christian and got bullied after 9/11 for looking like a "terrorist," I guess because some people are too dumb to realize that not all Arabs are Muslims.

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Originally posted by HaeD if there where no debate on this, i think it would be ok for gay to adopt.

so until society accepts the homosexual community 100% there shall be no cock sucking males or carpet munching females adopting kiddies?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I even knew a guy who was an Arab Christian and got bullied after 9/11 for looking like a "terrorist," I guess because some people are too dumb to realize that not all Arabs are Muslims.

I remember defending the arab community in political class after 9/11. People are so freaking ignorant

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Originally posted by jdat people are so freaking ignorant

In the end that's what it all boils down to.

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Originally posted by jdat People are so freaking ignorant

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle I once knew a doctor who told me a story about his opinion on gay parents and homosexuality. When he was 11, he lived with his mother and her partner in Texas. The kids at the school knew he had lesbians for parents, and often stigmatised him, calling his mom a dyke and mexican carpet muncher. Despite it all, he was a pretty normal, straight kid. One day at the bus stop, two older kids he didn't know kicked the shit out of him. He lost several teeth and nearly died, spending a couple weeks in the hospital. Whenever he's asked about homosexuality and related issues, he just smiles with the jaw that took years of dental work to correct. It doesn't even make sense to him as an issue, that something so irrevelent and personal could cause people to hate, maim, and kill eachother.

Fucking ridiculous world we live in - I really, really hope that future generations see the stupidity in taking issue over such trivial things like what people do behind closed doors with one another. Sometimes it seems like we're on our way there, but then other times we take 2 steps back. It's sad to think that it will take many generations and many people dying and being injured to serve any ideal of peace and for people to actually wake up and realize that we are destroying ourselves for reasons that don't even make sense - it's even sadder to think that people may never, ever truly realize the idiocy in such actions.

This debate is a complicated one. I believe that if a responsible couple wants to adopt a child, they should be allowed to do so, completely regardless of sexual orientation. I do understand that the children of gay parents may face some adversity in their earlier lives - but I am not sure you can ever exclude any child from facing adversity for any reason. Children are faced with a multitude of challenges to overcome in a social setting - perhaps others will make fun of a kid's father because he lost his legs in Vietnam, perhaps children will mock another kid because his or her parents are of different colours, there's not really any way to ensure that children will be safe and coddled forever - and why should they be? Children grow and develop through both loving affection and overcoming the challenges of their lives, so trying to ensure the perfect atomic family is not only a pursuit in vain, but an extremely flawed one as well.

Kids will almost always be teased and face violence in school - it's not like bullying was something new, developed by childish masterminds specifically to face the threat of same sex adopted children. It seems that people's hesitation on this topic stems from them wanting to protect children from this sort of thing, as though disapproving of children being adopted by gay couples will suddenly make this go away? I think you're making the picture too big. You are trying to solve too much at once. the world will not be a peaceful after such a thing occurs, as it certainly wasn't before, but I think that by arguing for children to be adopted by any loving couple, regardless of sexual orientation, you will have brought a certain degree of peace and order to the life of a child without parents - I think that should be all that is really important.

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I only got halfway through the first page and I'm already shocked at the replies. Oh nooessss, a kid is going to be mad fun of for having gay parents. If their the nuturing type, and know what they're doing they'll know how to cope with this. Kids get made fun of for EVERYTHING, he's fat, he's black, he's muslim, he's white, he has red hair. Anything. Did everybody else in here come out of the womb as an 18 year old? No. I'll say it again, if the parents are fit...and now how to be parents, they'll know how to cope with the child being made fun of in school.

edit // Yeah, what Halcyon said

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Gay couples go through tough and rough procedures just to get approved, and being constantly evaluated to see if they're fit to raise a child, putting that much effort and time shows to me they really want a child and know what they are getting into.
It takes months even years for that to happen unlike straight couples where a five minute lay would do the job then call it a mistake, with gay couples it’s never a mistake they know fully well what they're getting into.
I also believe if more Gay couples adopt kids it would be a far more tolerant society in the future.