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Originally posted by zokissima Did you find that the younger crowd of the JW are a lot more judgemental than the older individuals whom have kids and whatnot?

On the contrary... they younger ones threw parties that made our parties look lame, which really troubled me. It's a scriptural obligation to help one another for healing and spiritual growth and to paraphrase "be greased with oil by the older ones in the congregation" so they can get back on the "right track" so to speak. I was threatened with a "you better not tell on us" so I kind of limped away since I figured it was hypocritical of them to be this way. The older ones in the congregation are the ones I remember for their faith and loving way. There was an old missionary couple in their 80's who spoke urdu and used to hold hands during the meetings. I loved the older ones! I felt rejected more by ones my age.

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Originally posted by jennypie Well said!

+1 to that

Very thought provoking posts Caroline.

P.S. I hope your mom is doing well.

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I am still trying to form a good paragraph or 2 togehter....but i will reply soon on the issue...

However...


I don;t have a probelm witn anyones belief. I may not believe the same thing, but what others believe is non of my business.

What i DO have a problem with is when you come to my door and try to preach to me. I really don't care that its part of the religion or whatnot. Its really annoying to me and it pisses me off that my time is being wasted. Everyone can believe what they want, just don't force it on others. I THINK THIS IS STUPID! Yes i am sounding ignorant. TOO BAD! SUCK IT UP!

"Religion is the masterpiece of the art of animal training, for it trains people as to how they shall think" - Schopenhauer

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I'm just curious muzzy...from my experience, pride in your nationality, and more importantly, participation in the political system, is discouraged by the JW faith, no? My friend was never allowed to vote and always complained about my passion for politics, history, etc. So if you're going to point to the virtues of our "free" society, isn't that already contradicting a solid JW belief? I mean, JW's can't really claim to have legal and political rights when, in theory, they are opposed to the entire system? It's like having your cake and eating it too, or however that expression goes. anyway, I"m off to class. My first years are waiting for another exciting tutorial on European governments in the interwar period!

As I say, I don't vote (as it would nullify my vote in "God's kingdom") and I don't complain about who's in power. I think I was pointing out a concern for all of you who wish to practice freedom of religion that you've all fought so hard for. My Uncle was imprisoned for not fighting during WWII as he would not take up arms against another man. We pay "Ceaser's things to Ceaser and God's things to God." I pay my taxes, don't kill people, and respect authority. And am entitled to proper representation if I should go to court because I pay my taxes and don't disrespect the system.

There is a story about two kids brought into a principal's office (one a witness and one a non-witness) and both were asked to spit on the flag. The non-witness kid did as he was told, but the witness kid didn't because it was disrespectful to the "higher authority". Like how Shadrack, Meshack and Abednego didn't bow down or worship the king. We don't sing the anthem, but respect the laws of the country. How's that for an answer? (man, it's been a long time since I've posted on TA and GLTV gave me an old computer of hers and here I am posting all afternoon! Hahahaha!)

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* +1 to that Very thought provoking posts Caroline. P.S. I hope your mom is doing well.

Thanks, Lisa Loo! She's finishing her radiation next week and is doing well! GLTV and I are both doing the 60k Breast Cancer Walk again this year, so I hope you make it out to a fundraiser again! Good times, good times! Not sure if you know, but I'm having a wee one in a few weeks, so I'll have to get a sitter to get out to some of them! They'll be at Lolita's Lust again! :-)

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict What i DO have a problem with is when you come to my door and try to preach to me. I really don't care that its part of the religion or whatnot. Its really annoying to me and it pisses me off that my time is being wasted. Everyone can believe what they want, just don't force it on others. I THINK THIS IS STUPID! Yes i am sounding ignorant. TOO BAD! SUCK IT UP!

I haven't been door to door in over 10 years. But unfortunately it's part of the mandate to preach. The right to preach was only granted in Quebec in the 80's! Again, part of freedom to practice your religion! The mormons do it too. Matthew 24:14 says "and the good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth and then the end will come." Jesus preached door to door as well as performed sermons too. Just be polite and tell them you're not interested. For lack of a better way to put it, I'm sure if you felt passionately that you had a cure for cancer you'd go banging on people's doors to tell them too! Love your neighbour! :-)

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Originally posted by minimax "Religion is the masterpiece of the art of animal training, for it trains people as to how they shall think" - Schopenhauer

yes I would say I concur with that broad line of thinking. I am not religious at all and am glad my dad resisted my mom's urging to have me sent to Sunday school, attend church, etc, etc. Then I discovered Darwin at age 14.....

But Muzzy, thanks for the clarification. I might not agree (at all) but everyone has a right to their beliefs in our society. It's just that I found it funny my friend's mom got into a minor car accident when I was in grade 10 and she went on and on about "my (her) rights, my right to this, my right to that" but at the same time told her kids that politics was evil, etc. Maybe she's a bad example though.

Another thing too actually. She actively encouraged her kids not to try in school because Armageddon was "imminent", and any academic inspiration they might have had was sapped. Again, she's a bad example.

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Originally posted by muzzybear Thanks, Lisa Loo! She's finishing her radiation next week and is doing well! GLTV and I are both doing the 60k Breast Cancer Walk again this year, so I hope you make it out to a fundraiser again! Good times, good times! Not sure if you know, but I'm having a wee one in a few weeks, so I'll have to get a sitter to get out to some of them! They'll be at Lolita's Lust again! :-)

Good to hear. It really makes me smile to know how dedicated you are to the cause.

Keep me posted on when your fundraisers are and I'll try my best to come out again. It's harder for me to come out - even if only for a few hours - since I live in Windsor. But I'll do my best

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Originally posted by muzzybear I haven't been door to door in over 10 years. But unfortunately it's part of the mandate to preach. The right to preach was only granted in Quebec in the 80's! Again, part of freedom to practice your religion! The mormons do it too. Matthew 24:14 says "and the good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth and then the end will come." Jesus preached door to door as well as performed sermons too. Just be polite and tell them you're not interested. For lack of a better way to put it, I'm sure if you felt passionately that you had a cure for cancer you'd go banging on people's doors to tell them too! Love your neighbor! :-)

I understand the passion, but I don't like people coming to my door if I don't want them there.

I try to be polite when they come. I pretty much always say "Thank you, but I worship Satan in my basement". This usually leads to an awkward silence then they just turn around and leave.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 But Muzzy, thanks for the clarification. I might not agree (at all) but everyone has a right to their beliefs in our society. It's just that I found it funny my friend's mom got into a minor car accident when I was in grade 10 and she went on and on about "my (her) rights, my right to this, my right to that" but at the same time told her kids that politics was evil, etc. Maybe she's a bad example though. Another thing too actually. She actively encouraged her kids not to try in school because Armageddon was "imminent", and any academic inspiration they might have had was sapped. Again, she's a bad example.

Good chats, my friend! I was encouraged to attend university but dropped out at the beginning of my third year. We can find bad examples everywhere! My dad used to tell me that I didn't celebrate christmas because having a christmas tree was a fire hazard and would burn the house down! Sheesh! It wasn't until I stayed with Witness family in England when I was 18 and was shown scripturally why I didn't celebrate christmas and many trips to the British Museum that I apprecaited how I had been raised.

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