But maybe with lots of superintelligent robotic doctors working alongside us, something can be done.

I do believe that nature has a self-regulatory controller installed in its system which will take care of the excess population by systematic decimation until the balance is restored.

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Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

What excess population?

Excess in the sense that it stretches the limits of the naturally available resources. It could either be a global or a local phenomenon.

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Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

Okay. What I was getting at is whether you think this is currently happening.

Actually, I gave a very simplistic explanation about the said controller. The natural regulating authority is everywhere. Evolution and extinction are part of the same process. And the same process will regulate the human population depending on the conditions. Ironically, this Voluntary Human Extinction Movement is part of the same controlling process since we as human beings are part of the nature.

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Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

I don't necessarily support the idea of working toward human extinction, but otherwise, I totally agree with this.

This is something I have tried to illustrate in previous threads about my desire to adopt and not have any natural children.

We are far over-populated, and there are hundereds of thousands of children who need help...

Instead of creating more babies, we should be dealing with the amount we have that we can't even take care of.

Also, it reinforces my argument FOR abortion.

I don't think people are really aware of how badly we are over populated. It is thought that within the next 10 years, we are going to have a water problem, and within the next 35 years, we're going to have an oil issue.

Some people even think that by 2050, the earth will "expire".

Anyway, I digress.

I agree with the general premise of this "VHEMT".

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Originally posted by Theresa We are far over-populated,

No.

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and there are hundereds of thousands of children who need help...

Very true, and a good reason to adopt.

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Instead of creating more babies, we should be dealing with the amount we have that we can't even take care of.

It isn't that people can't take care of the many children who live in starvation and neglect. World resources and technology would support them easily enough. It's that people won't. The unequal distribution of technology and resources benefits a significant number of people in the short run, so they do little or nothing to alter it.

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It is thought that within the next 10 years, we are going to have a water problem, and within the next 35 years, we're going to have an oil issue.

Maybe. These things were also thought by Paul Ehrlich (and others) in the '70s, and he even put his money where his doomsday-proclaiming mouth was and bet on it.

He lost.

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Some people even think that by 2050, the earth will "expire".

What does this mean? Sounds like "Gaia" nonsense on the face of it, but maybe you were thinking of something else.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles No. Very true, and a good reason to adopt. It isn't that people can't take care of the many children who live in starvation and neglect. World resources and technology would support them easily enough. It's that people won't. The unequal distribution of technology and resources benefits a significant number of people in the short run, so they do little or nothing to alter it. Maybe. These things were also thought by Paul Ehrlich (and others) in the '70s, and he even put his money where his doomsday-proclaiming mouth was and bet on it. He lost. What does this mean? Sounds like "Gaia" nonsense on the face of it, but maybe you were thinking of something else.

Source on 2050 expiration

Source for same article, different website


EDIT: How can you say we aren't over populated??

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How can you say we aren't over populated??

In the extreme: not all arable land is being used, the arable land that is being used is not being used as effectively as possible, and much of the vegetable food ends up going to industrial or animal-feed uses that are, strictly speaking, unnecessary for pure survival. Anyway, more "non-arable" land becomes "arable" all the time because of agricultural advances.

Also, America, UK, and other fat nations eat far more than they have to.

The main problems are ones of distribution, political problems, not fundamental economic ones of growing enough food. Now, under these conditions, it may well be true that certain areas of the earth are over-populated based on the level of food production that their local political and economic situation can realistically sustain, but this does not mean that the entire world has an "overpopulation" problem, any more than the entire world has a "hurricane problem" when the south-east part of the U.S. gets hit. And the solution is not to yell, "Yo, you brown people, stop having so many kids!" -- Euro-Americans are not the "culprits" in population growth at all, really, and in fact at least some European countries have net negative population "growth" -- but to remedy the nasty politics and technological poverty that are causing food to be distributed in heinously unequal ways.

I'm not having kids because I think it's a sucker's game, at least in this twisted fucking mega-tribe.

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