Tough field to get a foothold in. I'd try to go to a loosely related field to get some working experience, but keep looking actively on the side.

If you go through agencies, you have to keep calling them to gently 'remind' them that you're still looking.

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Originally posted by RobSt*r Workopolis and Monster and the likes suck. Its all recruiters now, and I HATE recruiters. Try the Canada Job Bank. I did a quick search for electircal engineer and came up with this for Ontario http://jobbank.gc.ca/JobResult_en.a...ment&Student=No Its not alot, but might give you different results from workopolis and the likes. Looks like your trade is scarce for work right now.

0 matches for business/admin

they suck!

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Originally posted by RobSt*r Its all recruiters now, and I HATE recruiters.

Recruiters/head-hunters are a job seekers best friend.

They work for both the employer and the employee to get the position filled.

If one takes the time to work with the right recruiter - finding a job will be a fun and rewarding process.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Recruiters/head-hunters are a job seekers best friend. They work for both the employer and the employee to get the position filled. If one takes the time to work with the right recruiter - finding a job will be a fun and rewarding process.

In theory this is right, but my friend, my experiences with them are far from ideal and fun and rewarding.

For the past three years, I basicly look for jobs every day. Even though Im employed, its always in my best intrests to look for bigger and better things. Seriously, every day or every other day, I apply for work.

I am registered with all kinds of head hunters. Now with an outstanding resume, clear and proper, you would think these ying yangs would be able to paint a picture of my past, present, and future, by seeing how I progressed from job to job, the more advanced and progressed I have become, and maybe see the direction I am looking to go.

Nope, ALL of them, call me for stupid ass jobs, making less money than I do know, and most of them dont even know how to look at a machinist/CAD designers resume and tell what Ive done and where Im heading.

I even had this one recruiter, call me, ask me basicly EVERYTHING already posted on my resume, in a 10 minute conversation before she got the the point and started to explain the job to me. She went on to say "the employer is looking for someone with Machine shop experience, do you have any machine shop experience Rob?"

I called her a fucking comedian, and hung up. I get them calling me at LEAST twice a week, and no one has a clue.

Maybe its that they are mostly lacking in terminology and knowlege of my trade. But in my opinion, if you dont know the industry, dont fuckin call me with a job just because the title of the job has CNC in it.

Ive had zero luck with recruiters in my last three years of constant search for career expantion. Most of them are looking to seal a deal for a quick pay from the employer. Thats my impression.

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Originally posted by RobSt*r In theory this is right, but my friend, I have to say i strongly dissagree with you. At least in my experience with them anyways. For the past three years, I basicly look for jobs every day. Even though Im employed, its always in my best intrests to look for bigger and better things. Seriously, every day or every other day, I apply for work. I am registered with all kinds of head hunters. Now with an outstanding resume, clear and proper, you would think these ying yangs would be able to paint a picture of my past, present, and future, by seeing how I progressed from job to job, the more advanced and progressed I have become, and maybe see the direction I am looking to go. Nope, ALL of them, call me for stupid ass jobs, making less money than I do know, and most of them dont even know how to look at a machinist/CAD designers resume and tell what Ive done and where Im heading. I even had this one recruiter, call me, ask me basicly EVERYTHING already posted on my resume, in a 10 minute conversation before she got the the point and started to explain the job to me. She went on to say "the employer is looking for someone with Machine shop experience, do you have any machine shop experience Rob?" I called her a fucking comedian, and hung up. I get them calling me at LEAST twice a week, and no one has a clue. Maybe its that they are mostly lacking in terminology and knowlege of my trade. But in my opinion, if you dont know the industry, dont fuckin call me with a job just because the title of the job has CNC in it. Ive had zero luck with recruiters in my last three years of constant search for career expantion. Most of them are looking to seal a deal for a quick pay from the employer. Thats my impression.

Simple words of advice. Use a SPECIALIST Recruitment CONSULTANT - someone that knows your field and understands your skills, background, achievements and aspirations. Someone that can proactively market your details to secure you a position with an organization that is aligned to your goals and ethics as well as your cultural fit.

Trust me, 98% of my profession are 'let's throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks' cowboys. Find a good one. They're out there.

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Originally posted by English Rachel Simple words of advice. Use a SPECIALIST Recruitment CONSULTANT - someone that knows your field and understands your skills, background, achievements and aspirations. Someone that can proactively market your details to secure you a position with an organization that is aligned to your goals and ethics as well as your cultural fit. Trust me, 98% of my profession are 'let's throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks' cowboys. Find a good one. They're out there.

Ya, one recent place called GTA Skilled Trades was supposed to be this "specialized" company to do just that. So far they have contacted me with one job in the last 2 months, and it was in Markham (Told them Tri-cities or west toronto only), and it paid two bucks less than I am making now.

They arent on my bad list yet, but two strikes and they are gone.

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Originally posted by malek -which field of EE did you study? -average time for a graduate to find a job is usualy 6 months, don't despair. -don't forget, sadly, as a fresh graduate, you are a "nobody", you have to almost beg for a job. (nothing personnal, its only from experience)

oh man i know..you are 100% right

I get a few call backs to tell me that i dont have enough experience. But really, where the fuck will i get it if noone wants to give it to me.

Didn't specialize in anything. But did take mostly electronics and communications.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict I get a few call backs to tell me that i dont have enough experience. But really, where the fuck will i get it if noone wants to give it to me.

golden words

it's a fucking vicious cycle - no experience, no job, no job no experience

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yeah, well, the key is experience, thats for sure...weather you have it or not, it has to be on a resume...

Well, i think the best way is to get yourself into qualifications required from job postings and spend as much time as possible reading. Spend 3 hours a day applying for jobs and another 5 hrs a day reading. Once you know, you can pretend you have experience, you can come up with projects to put on your resume and prove your knowledge on interviews.

Having no experience on a resume won't give you any interviews and therefore chances on getting a job are down to nill. Put as many keywords on resume from your field as possible, make sure you have an understanding of every keyword so you can pass through phone interviews. Those keywords are always listed on job postings in your field, use them.

Job search is a simple match of keywords. Employer is looking for flash, action script, ajax, java script, html, photoshop, illustrator graphic designer, to get that job you must have flash, action script, ajax, java script, html, photoshop, illustrator graphic designer on your resume. Thats simple. Weather you know all the things listed are up to you and its in your best interest to know as much as you can, start home projects to get brief knowledge, go through tutorials, etc.

While at university you could always work part time using "keywords".

Good luck guys.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict oh man i know..you are 100% right I get a few call backs to tell me that i dont have enough experience. But really, where the fuck will i get it if noone wants to give it to me. Didn't specialize in anything. But did take mostly electronics and communications.

get into a feild of similar experience or consider joining one with who needs one and then move laterally.