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Originally posted by Beat Blog Correct. I'm ashamed that those scenes are big in Melbourne. Pretty much anything over 145 BPM is a load of shit, and shouldn't be classified as music, as it has no thought behind it, other than to be "hard". It is my firm belief that if party drugs had never been invented, gabber, hardcore, hardstyle, speedcore and all those other rubbish "genres" would not exist either; they only evolved in response to drugged up people wanting to hear faster music. Overdriven, square wave kick drums are pretty much the stupidest, most offensive sound I've ever heard. Oh, and to top it all off, the DJ/Producer names are always ridiculous too; "Dj Fistf*ck", "Angerfist", "Bass Machine" etc. *hides under flame proof blanket*

well the statement that you made about the bpm range is completly close minded .

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The "hey, like what you want to like" wasn't directed at you.

It was directed at the hardcore fans who will come into this thread and bite my heads off.

I explained why I think it has no thought behind it, but once again:

1. Tracks lack complexity. There are usually only two, maybe three percussive elements. If there is any complexity, it's drowned out by square wave kicks.

2. "Melodies" are often 5-6 notes repeating over and over for the whole song, with a slight variation at the end of a bar or phrase.

3. Build ups are almost never carefully constructed, just simple drum rolls that appear out of no where, and when the song "drops", it goes back to exactly where it was before, which brings me to my next point...

4. Tracks seem to lack progression. The first minute of tracks is often exactly the same as minute or two later. Breakdowns are never special, they usually just involve subtracting an element from the track.

5. If vocals are present, no attempt is usually made to obtain someone who can actually sing. If they can, the words themselves are cheesy and bland (I suppose this applies to happy hardcre more than other hard genres) examples: "get on up", "come on dj", "hands in the air".

6. Track to track, they are all fast and hard, which of course is the idea of the genre, however every genre should still have some tracks that are comparatively laid back, for earlier in the night or as a bridge between two big hits.

Besides all that, I just plain think the music sounds terrible. Most of the melodies sound like an amplified mosquito a or a child being hurt badly and screaming their lungs out.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid well the statement that you made about the bpm range is completly close minded .

Point taken, that is a sweeping generalization.

I think Psy/Goa is pretty cool, and some really fast techno. I suppose I could say...gabber/hardcore techno, hardstyle, nu-nrg, hard nrg, uk hardcore, happy hardcore, speedcore, noizecore and basscore are all undesirable to my ears.

Also I think hard house is pretty stupid, but there are some redeeming tracks in that genre. The hoover gets on my nerves after more than about thirty minutes.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog 1. Tracks lack complexity. There are usually only two, maybe three percussive elements. If there is any complexity, it's drowned out by square wave kicks. 2. "Melodies" are often 5-6 notes repeating over and over for the whole song, with a slight variation at the end of a bar or phrase. 3. Build ups are almost never carefully constructed, just simple drum rolls that appear out of no where, and when the song "drops", it goes back to exactly where it was before, which brings me to my next point... 4. Tracks seem to lack progression. The first minute of tracks is often exactly the same as minute or two later. Breakdowns are never special, they usually just involve subtracting an element from the track. 5. If vocals are present, no attempt is usually made to obtain someone who can actually sing. If they can, the words themselves are cheesy and bland (I suppose this applies to happy hardcre more than other hard genres) examples: "get on up", "come on dj", "hands in the air".

Taking the risk of sounding just as close-minded as you, these all apply to hard techno as well. Not "complexity and decent melody".

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6. Track to track, they are all fast and hard, which of course is the idea of the genre, however every genre should still have some tracks that are comparatively laid back, for earlier in the night or as a bridge between two big hits.

I think hardcore is one of the most varied genres of EDM when it comes to BPM and being 'hard'. And I'm not talking about happy hardcore. The fact you don't hear it doesn't mean it isn't there.

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I didn't know that the only genre with more than 145 bpm was hardcore.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Point taken, that is a sweeping generalization. I think Psy/Goa is pretty cool, and some really fast techno. I suppose I could say...gabber/hardcore techno, hardstyle, nu-nrg, hard nrg, uk hardcore, happy hardcore, speedcore, noizecore and basscore are all undesirable to my ears. Also I think hard house is pretty stupid, but there are some redeeming tracks in that genre. The hoover gets on my nerves after more than about thirty minutes.

thats much more like it.

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I dunno all you gotta do is go to a few LA wherehouse rave parties and see some freaky shit with hardstyle playing

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Funny that I live in the UK, and I think that's a load of shit.

+1000 not like that in ireland either. dont no where your getting your facts from.

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Also kinda bullshit since sensation white always sells out and black doesnt...

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Originally posted by DJ Santino Also kinda bullshit since sensation white always sells out and black doesnt...

Sensation White isn't a trance party. The only reason people like Armin and PvD have played there in the past is because they are popular enough to attract the masses.

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From my exprience the UK likes all sorts it's not defined down too one exact genre of tempo of music. Hardstyle isn't big in the UK at all, but Hard House has always had a following, at the same time we have lot of clubs and events with more chilled relaxed music.

In general the UK caters for every musicial taste.

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