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quote: Originally posted by DJ Shibby His concerns are extremely valid. It means your good apple has a rotten core... Originally posted by Shaolin_Z More valid than restoring the constitution?

Ron Paul voted to AMEND TO THE CONSTITUTION a BAN GAY MARRIAGE. How is that restoring the constitution?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Ron Paul voted to AMEND TO THE CONSTITUTION a BAN GAY MARRIAGE. How is that restoring the constitution?

Well, technicaly, the consitution never protected gay marriage to begin with and it was never culturally accepted. So it's never had jack to do with the constitution, therefore, has nothing to do with restoring it. And I'm done with this stupid discussion since all you seem to care about is some trivial bullshit in comparison to the civil liberties were loosing and everything else that's at stake. You've got to be the most politically unenlightened, imperceptive, selfish, and apathetic gay man I have ever talked to. I'd say about 90% of gay men I've ever come across are pretty well informed and politically aware, not to mention fairly intelligent, and, , quite pro-Palestinian. Having lived in San Fran, and now Austin, I've know plenty.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson No, I'm a smart asshole. A stupid asshole opens up debate by calling other people names.

Well said.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, technicaly, the consitution never protected gay marriage to begin with and it was never culturally accepted. So it's never had jack to do with the constitution, therefore, has nothing to do with restoring it. And I'm done with this stupid discussion since all you seem to care about is some trivial bullshit in comparison to the civil liberties were loosing and everything else that's at stake. You've got to be the most politically unenlightened, imperceptive, selfish, and apathetic gay man I have ever talked to. I'd say about 90% of gay men I've ever come across are pretty well informed and politically aware, not to mention fairly intelligent, and, , quite pro-Palestinian. Having lived in San Fran, and now Austin, I've know plenty.

Sorry shaolin_Z, but in re-reading your rabid defense of the libertarian, you haven't even addressed what seems to be your primary concern. What civil liberties of yours are being ripped to shreds? And do you really think that Democrats are responsible?

The only thing I can gather from your unintelligible rant is that you support Ron Paul because you want the privacy to not have your internet activity monitored as you watch gay porn while masturbating in your grandma's panties.

Although I do find some relief in the fact that your vote will be wasted on a third party candidate and it will not go to support a Republican that will further try to erode the civil liberties that I hold dear:

- The right to free speech
- The right to assemble
- The right to a speedy trial
- The right to due process

And your seeming inability to empathize with the need for minority rights is appalling, especially when your only reason seems to be there isn't time to help them when you are concerned with whatever rights you seem to have lost. When we start abandoning the rights of our fellow countrymen to save our own, 'tis a sad day. It isn't like Jake Benson is asking for more rights than you, he just wants the same rights that are afforded to heterosexual Americans.

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Originally posted by spiflicated it will not go to support a Republican that will further try to erode the civil liberties that I hold dear: - The right to free speech - The right to assemble - The right to a speedy trial - The right to due process

curious, who would that be?

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Originally posted by spiflicated And your seeming inability to empathize with the need for minority rights is appalling, especially when your only reason seems to be there isn't time to help them when you are concerned with whatever rights you seem to have lost. When we start abandoning the rights of our fellow countrymen to save our own, 'tis a sad day. It isn't like Jake Benson is asking for more rights than you, he just wants the same rights that are afforded to heterosexual Americans.

Now that was well said.

Paul, Richardson, Kucinich

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Originally posted by Infinite84 You're a stupid asshole. If you keep supporting the same people like Hillary, Obama and all the rest of those criminals you're gonna get a never-ending war with Israel's enemies like you have now.

Because they're gonna continue with the same idiotic policies that Bush has instilled with his utter ineptitude at diplomacy and endless military wars instead?

Got it.

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If you vote for Ron Paul you'll have peace and legalized drugs.

Oh happy day awaits in that tranquil world of serenity. Gosh, I'm sure counting down the moments.......

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So if two guys having butt sex in the form of a federal government recognized institution rather than a personal relationship is that important to you, maybe you should get the hell out of my country or kill yourself so you won't make it worse for everyone else.

Hmmm, what a wonderful and civilized thing to say. I'm beginning to wonder who our new bigoted buddy here is? You wouldn't happen to be anyone that's been banned before now, would you?

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Originally posted by Q5echo curious, who would that be?

pick one

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Originally posted by spiflicated Sorry shaolin_Z, but in re-reading your rabid defense of the libertarian, you haven't even addressed what seems to be your primary concern. What civil liberties of yours are being ripped to shreds? And do you really think that Democrats are responsible?

Ever read the Partior Act, Military Commisions Act, or Detainee Bill? Shut the hell up if you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by spiflicated The only thing I can gather from your unintelligible rant is that you support Ron Paul because you want the privacy to not have your internet activity monitored as you watch gay porn while masturbating in your grandma's panties.

Read above you fucking idiot. I wouldn't vote for someone or not vote for them based on a stupid trivial matter like a state acknowledeged relationship. That how Bush got his votes, and you fucking idiots are doing the same thing.

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Originally posted by spiflicated Although I do find some relief in the fact that your vote will be wasted on a third party candidate and it will not go to support a Republican that will further try to erode the civil liberties that I hold dear: - The right to free speech - The right to assemble - The right to a speedy trial - The right to due process

If you don't know a thing about Ron Paul, might as well shut the hell up instead of painting everyone Republican with one broad stroke.

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Originally posted by spiflicated And your seeming inability to empathize with the need for minority rights is appalling, especially when your only reason seems to be there isn't time to help them when you are concerned with whatever rights you seem to have lost. When we start abandoning the rights of our fellow countrymen to save our own, 'tis a sad day. It isn't like Jake Benson is asking for more rights than you, he just wants the same rights that are afforded to heterosexual Americans.

Now where the fuck did that come from? Did you bother reading what I posted earlier? Just so you know, no I don't think homosexuality is morally ok. Does that mean I hate gay people or am against them having right? No. I also think premarital sex and drug use is immoral, which I would be guilty of too, does that mean I hate myself and virually all straight people around me? No, grow a fucking brain you idiot istead of making stupid assumptions followed by equally stupid posts where you mentally masturbate about imaginary things. And yeah, all the gay dudes I know know my views and they don't have a problem with me or viceversa, because I don't treat them any differently than I would anyone else. It's called tolerance asshole, there's nothing to tolerate if you fully agree with something.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Well, tonight is the first presidential debate from the Democratic side. It should be interesting to watch.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Ever read the Partior Act, Military Commisions Act, or Detainee Bill? Shut the hell up if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes, I have, and I think they are appalling. However, this is the first time you mentioned them in this thread.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Read above you fucking idiot. I wouldn't vote for someone or not vote for them based on a stupid trivial matter like a state acknowledeged relationship. That how Bush got his votes, and you fucking idiots are doing the same thing.

I will restate my point for you, as you seem to be mentally challenged at times. I understand that you think a state acknowledged relationship is trivial. You need to understand that there are many people that trivialize the civil liberties that you care about. When people stop trying to defend all civil rights, that's a sad day for our country.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z If you don't know a thing about Ron Paul, might as well shut the hell up instead of painting everyone Republican with one broad stroke.

You're a fucking idiot if you think Ron Paul is a Republican. He's a fucking Libertarian you moron.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Now where the fuck did that come from? Did you bother reading what I posted earlier? Just so you know, no I don't think homosexuality is morally ok. Does that mean I hate gay people or am against them having right? No. I also think premarital sex and drug use is immoral, which I would be guilty of too, does that mean I hate myself and virually all straight people around me? No, grow a fucking brain you idiot istead of making stupid assumptions followed by equally stupid posts where you mentally masturbate about imaginary things. And yeah, all the gay dudes I know know my views and they don't have a problem with me or viceversa, because I don't treat them any differently than I would anyone else. It's called tolerance asshole, there's nothing to tolerate if you fully agree with something.

I didn't even discuss morally right or not... again, you went off on a tangent and clearly cannot read at an adult level. My point is that everyone's civil rights need to be protected. Your civil rights are no more important than Jake Benson's.