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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Ok. Apparently you're also very good at contradicting yourself. You project so much of your subconcious attitude it's not even funny, and by now I honestly think you don't realize it.

Don't feed the Alligators Z......

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Originally posted by LazFX Don't feed the Alligators Z......

I rip alligators to shreds with my bare hands if I have to ...

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Laz, have you ever read the (whole) Koran?

Although the goal of the PDD is to debate specific topics, such as religion, I fail to see how exactly we could benefit from this discussion.

First of all, Shaolin has already shown how some of these sentences were taken out of context. You can do it quite easily with the Bible in order to, let's say, show how jealous and immature God is:

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Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God - Exodus 20:5

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For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: - Exodus 34:14

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(For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth. - Deuteronomy 6:15

It took me just 30 seconds using a simple search engine. I didn't even bother reading the context. A theologian would probably show how misled I am in a matter of minutes - specially because I'm using a version that has been very poorly translated (the King James Bible), as it focused on aesthetics rather than accuracy.

And this is why I wonder how fruitful this discussion could be - you can't blame the Koran on someone's misreading of the Koran (which most likely is the case with Taliban) simply by quoting random sentences (which were shown to be out of context). And, although I value discussion, I wonder how much this could simply become an empty attack to religion, with little reasoning and a lot of emotion involved. This would be strictly against TA's guidelines, as we don't condone religious intolerance.

So, before this discussion continue, I'd like a very good explanation on how we could benefit from it. Otherwise, this is going to be closed for it seems to spark a flame war based on religious intolerance.

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In all fairness though Lira, there are a couple of questions besides LazFX's that have gone unnoticed...(or ignored, not sure)

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The only real religion of peace is Buddhism.

Christianity and Islam both have defensive elements aimed at spreading the word, the problem is that most Muslim societies haven't progressed to the level where their holy book can be questioned. These books tell us how to live as a society..the problem is that 2000 years later we need a change or else we'll just keep fighting. Islam desperately needs liberalism, progression, but mainly: freedom.

don't knock the religion, knock the state of society and the lack of reform due to conservatism by those in power. maybe GDubs was right, they really do need some democracy over there. I read a personal account of a person living during the Taliban regime, fucking terrible. Bunch of powerhungry animals claiming religious right to rule. No wonder there hasn't been any change.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r In all fairness though Lira, there are a couple of questions besides LazFX's that have gone unnoticed...(or ignored, not sure)

He started the thread, that's why I emphasised his questions.

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LOL @ Laz FX - No disrespect... but I can't help laughing.

To understand Islam, is to search for knowledge, to pursue science, to pursue ART in its purest form, to pursue the internal battle which is a conflict of several ideas.. good or bad... it's about peace and serenity from the inside no matter how fucked the world gets but also caring about the world around you, it's about having limits.. so that you don't fall victim to an idea that might enslave you, mentally or physically... because THAT'S freedom. It's about knowing your place in the universe, this life, and the next.

I can't even begin to explain Islam in all of its magnificence and it's probably why it took more than 100,000 prophets to explain this to humanity.

I might sound like a fanatic but then again... a smoker is a fanatic because he keeps going back to the same cigarette that kills him.

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Originally posted by Lira He started the thread, that's why I emphasised his questions.

Oh I understood that, I was just sayin', that's all

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Oh I understood that, I was just sayin', that's all

I know it sounded like I ignored the others, that's why I thought it would be better to explain myself

I you all

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Originally posted by Lira I know it sounded like I ignored the others, that's why I thought it would be better to explain myself I you all

Not more than me though. I'm your special "old school" PDD buddy .

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Not more than me though. I'm your special "old school" PDD buddy .

Stop lovin' Lira and make another mix you...

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."