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Originally posted by Enigmatic XTC I was watching the national geographic channel, and they had some show on all about tattoos and this couple were showing their infant baby who had a tattoo on its arm. I couldn't decide if thats wrong or not.

What kind of tattoo are we talking about here? some huge thing covering 3/4 of the baby or a 2x2cm thingy.

I don't think its wrong at all.. your parents also pick your name, you could hate that.. yet most ppl are fairly happy with there name, wouldn't know whatelse they should be called. It just fits them as they say (and i agree about my name). This tatoo isn't to different imo, something that makes you unique, something you'll cary with you all your life.

But it could be very wrong.. like having a swatstika on the forehead oros lol

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No more wrong than severing their foreskin or raising them to believe that their lives will make sense one day if they put their faith in Jesus.

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I personally wouldn't do it for, well, personal reasons. If the parents feel the need to ink up their baby then by all means do it, be beware for very stick criticism from everyone.

Some would argue that, " well if parents can pierce their kids ears as such a young age, x months old, then I can tattoo my baby.

Although I think those two are very different.

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Originally posted by noikeee I get what you're saying - that opens the door for things like "oh I personally think random mass murder is wrong, but if your moral values say it's right then do what you want". That obviously isn't my stance on things. On the other hand, by imposing moral values on others you become your own moral god - whatever YOU say is right and whatever others say is only right if YOU find it right. Now imagine all human beings apply the same line of thought, considering everyone has their own opinions on what is right and wrong. You end up with 5 billion dogmatic moral gods - something does not compute. Unless you think there is no universal definitions of "right and wrong". Everything only becomes right or wrong depending on perspective. Oh man, this shit is deep.

Well, that's why I said leave the more grey stuff for later, because there are far more glaringly obvious things that should be immoral, regardless of cultural standards, yet are not only continued within certain societies, but tolerated by others under the "it's a cultural difference" stance.

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Originally posted by Import And i wouldent mind discussing "the murder and rape that are tolerated" but im not certain of what you are refering to, elaborate and i will gladly continue, it makes my workday more intresting to have a intelegent discussion rather then reading about jennypie getting a new haircut

Well, for instance, a month or two ago, a Saudi woman was blackmailed into meeting a man, and, upon arriving, was then taken away by five men and beaten and raped. She was subsequently sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married.

"but it's a cultural difference, so who are we to judge?" isn't cutting it for me on stuff like that.

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pics of babies with tattoos or stfu

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Originally posted by inconspicuous Well, for instance, a month or two ago, a Saudi woman was blackmailed into meeting a man, and, upon arriving, was then taken away by five men and beaten and raped. She was subsequently sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married. "but it's a cultural difference, so who are we to judge?" isn't cutting it for me on stuff like that.

Before i give a half assed response could you stare me into a source so i can think it through better

i personally would not give a baby a tattoo...

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Originally posted by inconspicuous AndreaCKY772. just. so. dumb.

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Originally posted by Import Before i give a half assed response could you stare me into a source so i can think it through better

I'll give you your choice of sources, since most are either too long & opinionated or too short, since, apparently, this was from November. I only heard about it fairly recently:

http://news.google.com/archivesearc...us&sa=N&start=0

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Originally posted by prolikewhoa pics of babies with tattoos or stfu

First serious response in the thread.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous Well, for instance, a month or two ago, a Saudi woman was blackmailed into meeting a man, and, upon arriving, was then taken away by five men and beaten and raped. She was subsequently sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married.

Ok sorry for the late reply, my car needed to go to the shop so it took awhile to get back to work.

Yeah really odd case, and pretty hard to put a arguement for. They both knowingly commited a crime as ruled by thier law, but that is somewhat unrelated to them both being raped, which seems like the far more predominant injustice. However the rapists were sentanced for thier crimes, its more a issue of poor punishment. Its not that it was tolerated, but they just choose lighter punishments, like there is a country where i belive you can loose your hand for littering, and here you would get a 100$ fine. They must look at us and think were being to slack on enforcing the law.

Im not agreeing that it was right to punish the victim, but it has to be noted that they did break the law aswell, im curious how a similar issue would be covered by our laws, if i was selling drugs, and someone, err.. raped and mugged me?

I dont really know what else to say to be honest, its such a wierd example, i dont like the idea of the court being able to sentance you for a crime like that. If i walked into the police station and told them id smoked pot a few weeks ago i dont see them taking me to court, i guess the rapists must have brought the issue up?...

You have me completly confused on this one lol

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philippe - In MEXICO says: ur the most clever pothead i know philippe - In MEXICO says: u deserve a fucking medal

I am quite amazed that this thread never really degenerated into the usual cor crap. I swear, the c0r surprises me at the most random times.

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It is easier for a man to destroy the light inside himself
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Any permanent modification of the body before the human is mentally capable and mature enough of deciding whether they themself really want it done, is imo, not right.