I don't have Vanguard, but I do have many others. I sometimes use presets; I sometimes create my own sounds. Who cares if you use a synth with a good preset vs. one you make yourself. Those presets in many synths are created by professional sound engineers. If it sounds good, use it. So, if Vanguard has many good sounding presets, it shouldn't matter - its really about how you apply it to your production that ultimately matters. Most synths, even ROMplers allow some manipulation of their presets - filters, reverb, echo, etc....

I have the Virus TI, and here lately, I have been finding myself just tweaking the presets. Admittedly, I do need to sit down and learn to program it from scratch.

Rubez, just a few words...please be careful how you approach things in this forum. You are swimming in a river full of piranha. Many of the guys here have tons of experience; it would be wise to sit back and learn from them instead of argue with them. It's very easy to taint yourself here.

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Last edited by David Adams on Apr-29-2007 at 14:03

All software is is just 0's and 1's arranged in a different order.

I tend to find free plug-ins a lot more convenient and efficient and better sounding than things that cost hundreds of bucks.

As for FL, lets just say people can make better music on that than the most professionals can on software that is much more expensive such as Logic and Cubase. I don't stress this enough but I'm sure a handful of you know this. It doesn't matter if you use free vst's or if you use software that costs hundreds of dollars, it matters how you use it.

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Originally posted by jupiterone It doesn't matter if you use free vst's or if you use software that costs hundreds of dollars, it matters how you use it.

I don't know. I think this argument only goes so far. Yes, it does matter how you use it, but given the same individual with the same capabilities, I feel their productions will sound better with more expensive software only because that software USUALLY (not in all circumstances) yields better source sounds.

Take the same song and have the same person use free software on one version and expensive software on the other. I would expect the song done with the expensive software to sound better.

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Originally posted by rubez i said vanguard was toss and a toy, stupid ****

With the greatest respect in the world, you have no right to SAY anything related to EDM production as you clearly don't have the relevant experience or prior knowldege to substanciate you're statement.

You can however (begrudgingly!)give an opinion (which 99 percent of people will probably disagree with!). Bear in mind, you're making outrageously general sweeping comments about something you don't (comparitively) have a clue about. The purpose of an argument is not to see who comes out on top, it's to learn something. You should take a step back and start reading (as i have for the last 4 years).

If you decide that you want to get serious eventually with production, believe me you're going to need all the advise you can get 'cos it's a very complex minefield so don't get up peoples noses soft ollies!!.

As far as Vanguard is concerned, i agree that it isn't the best Soft synth out there although it does have a distinct character and tone of it's own(surely a good thing!).

If i were you i'd grasp Vanguard (or the likes) with both hands because it is programable enough for someone of your status and if you can't be assed, there should be a preset for you to manipulate straight from the box.

How you can say that this doesn't give you programing options is beyond me. From what i can recall, it has one of the biggest choice of pre-drawn waves to choose from, of which you can layer (is it 3 or) 4 Oscillators.

What more do you want?

Last edited by synchro2007 on Apr-30-2007 at 15:40

its only 3 oscillators

im using albino that has 4 oscillators. it took a while to make a decent synth but is worth it. feels like u learn more using this as it shows u the actual waves and what happens when u change/manipulate them, even if i dont fully understand everything, u take information in by observing. with vanguard u cant see much its all hidden behind the gui.

Even though I don't like vanguard, it's probably the most simple and thought through design I've seen. It's straight on obvious, clean and simple. imo.

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i dont like how you have to assign the envelopes to volume and filter, instead of having dedicated volume env and filter envs, but it does allow you to do more with the envelopes i guess..

and while albino may have 4 oscs i bet vanguard has way more osc types.

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Originally posted by David Adams I don't know. I think this argument only goes so far. Yes, it does matter how you use it, but given the same individual with the same capabilities, I feel their productions will sound better with more expensive software only because that software USUALLY (not in all circumstances) yields better source sounds. Take the same song and have the same person use free software on one version and expensive software on the other. I would expect the song done with the expensive software to sound better.

That may be true if you randomly choose the software. But if it was the best freeware vs the best commercial software, it would be 50/50.

Ok, I hate to do this but I have to jump in on this thread... for one rubez Your an Noob, with a bit of an ego problem. First of all I respect that fact that you want to learn production, but I don't respect the way your going about learning. Its little punks like you that come on to the scene and want everything handed to you so you dont have to do some of the work that has taken some of 5 to 6 years to accomplish. I dont post on here much to stay out of the drama and 9 times out of 10 im always in the studio working on tracks. I may just be sitting around twiddling with knobs on my JP 8080 or flipping thru presets and tweaking from there. The point is I started out in Reason and moved to FL studios and finally wound up in Logic Pro. You know what there is one synth I started with I wish i still had to do because of its unique sound and that would be Vanguard. Im close friends with alot of producers in the industry and we do share ideas and thoughts more then once a day and your going to have your on and off views about This VSTI or that Program but the thing is it all boils down to the person using the equipment not the equipment its self... Hell I made my first track that got signed lol using MTV Music Generator on the Playstation if anyone rembers that :P.. So dont be dissing something just because it seems simple,,, remember sometimes something so simple is something mamoth......

To awsner your question, your question there are many ways you can achive this effect in production... You can use a Hi Pass filter, Low Pass Filter, Automate the low end EQ Cutt off of your bass, record changes on the insturment its self make the notes get shorter and shorter till the bass kicks back in full time. Automate the Velocity.. The key is just play around with crap and youll find what you are looking for...

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Originally posted by Centra Spike That may be true if you randomly choose the software. But if it was the best freeware vs the best commercial software, it would be 50/50.

I don't agree, but that is fine. No big deal. It would be hard to prove either way. It's just one opinion against another.

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Originally posted by rubez its only 3 oscillators

i dont see what the problem is with 3 osc

vstations has 3

pro53 has 2...(im pretty sure...have never really used it)