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Originally posted by Twilogoddess He was at Webster Hall a few years ago. My friends said the place was empty.

daph i went with dov and seth a while back (like jan 05 i wanna say) to see him at avalon, he was awesome but it was dead too.

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Originally posted by euphoria It's a shame that raves with no name DJ's get packed to the brim but DJ's like this can't bring in enough people to spin here.

I think raves are pretty dead, except for small bar-raves in BK and Queens, but back when I was playing the raves the formula was simple...



40 x (small-name DJ + a lot of friends + shady venues that don't cost any more than a G) + they don't spend more than a couple hundred on paying any of the DJs = a successful addition to the wallet... I think if we had every DJ on TA to play an hour set at Club Shelter, we'd have a sell-out night, no joke, but with the 2000$-3000$ DJs, for the most part, you need to be really selective as to who's going to raise enough eyebrows to get people to go.

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Originally posted by massivenyc daph i went with dov and seth a while back (like jan 05 i wanna say) to see him at avalon, he was awesome but it was dead too.

Oh ok. Mabye they went to see him at WH prior to 2005. I saw Johan @ Space during WMC 2003. He was ok.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco I think if we had every DJ on TA to play an hour set at Club Shelter, we'd have a sell-out night, no joke,

I would definetly like to see that happen one day

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Originally posted by DJ Eco I think raves are pretty dead, except for small bar-raves in BK and Queens, but back when I was playing the raves the formula was simple... 40 x (small-name DJ + a lot of friends + shady venues that don't cost any more than a G) + they don't spend more than a couple hundred on paying any of the DJs = a successful addition to the wallet... I think if we had every DJ on TA to play an hour set at Club Shelter, we'd have a sell-out night, no joke, but with the 2000$-3000$ DJs, for the most part, you need to be really selective as to who's going to raise enough eyebrows to get people to go.

Why don't you just insert the "bigger named DJ" into the part of the equation where "small-name DJ" is located??

How do they justify $40 entrance into a shady venue and small name DJ? Is it because of a lot of friend? Is it because the shady venue is easy to get drugs into? I've actually never been to a rave so i don't know what it's like, but why don't you draw on some of the successes of raves.

Nah, what I mean is it's all local-driven. When I was playing raves, it was me and literally dozens of other guys I had been on a lineup with time and time again. We're all "friends" somehow with one of the organizers of the events and we got paid on a per-ticket/per-head basis. That's why costs would be pretty much NOTHING as far as DJs is concerned, and the price was 5-10$ at most, it was a good formula (and venues weren't in Manhattan so that wasn't out of control expensive either). For example here's a flyer of a warehouse party I played at (I'll never forget it) two years ago:



The combination of the promoters knowing all of those DJs and (for lack of a kinder word) being able to "screw" them out of any booking fee, except for maybe a few hundred for Monk and a few hundred for Bam Bam, it worked well because it was everyone's incentive to bring as many people on their part as they could. This can't work in a New York City club, and it's a formula that people ended up getting tired of, I guess (look at the rave scene now)... Here's another flyer I was on, note the massive amount of talent, and the shady South Bronx warehouse location:



Basically, in a nutshell, the massive amount of DJs and their pull (even if each person has 10-15 friends they bring, that's really good), not to mention the 16+ to enter policy, getting the money to cover the headliners (the FEW times they did have any big headliners) was no problem... However, this can't work now because the DJs everyone on TA wants to see require more than a few hundred dollars (hotels, airfare, and big-headed overcharged booking fees). That's the sad state, and I hate to seem like the bad-guy for actually replying to this post negatively haha but I'm just shedding the truth on you guys, sorry!

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Originally posted by gmoney44 need to keep in mind that they are on the rise now and not that many people know about them..Strobe Life has said in other threads concerning bringing talent like this to NYC that it is high risk and the party would probably lose money. M.I.K.E. is a huge name and alot more known than Aly & Fila and the turnout at T-NY wasnt too good...of course it would be great for talent like Aly & Fila to come but its just not going to happen

Yea, and again I say it all the time. The people that come to Armin/Ferry/Tiesto/etc. shows are not real tranceheads Because if they were, all these Trance events would be packed with people.

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Originally posted by BiG MiKE Yea, and again I say it all the time. The people that come to Armin/Ferry/Tiesto/etc. shows are not real tranceheads Because if they were, all these Trance events would be packed with people.

you are VERY right because when me and wai went to tiesto there were a whole buncha guidos that were like "what is this song its so awesome!!!' to Silence.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco As a matter of fact, let's just have a Paul Van Dyk "In Between" listening party at Central Park; forget paying $70,000 for him! haha

haha. yeah lets all do a meetup and hang out right outside of Rumsey lol thats what im planning on doing

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Originally posted by kingchinc somebody please book Johan Gielen

He was absolutely amazing in December 2004 when he came to Avalon NYC...didn't care much for the venue but we had the SICKEST time ^__^ i went f*ckin nuts dancing to him that night...based on that, I didn't hesitate going up to G2 for him last year when i had the opportunity.

would DEF love to see Johan Gielen back in NYC...

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Originally posted by DJ Eco On my part, I'm the full embodiment of what you're saying. For better or for worse, half the people at the Martin Roth party knew who Martin Roth was, and the same goes for the Talla 2XLC/Vic/Funabashi. However, there's only so far us promoters can go. Your reply highly oversimplifies the art of throwing an event. I have dozens of guys that push tickets, thousands of dollars go into online promotions and heavy flyerboy distro, so no, I agree that the DJ itself doesn't sell an event, but there's only so much you can do to push an event to people, relative to what the cost is. We can't bring EVERY DJ that we wanna see, there is a certain line that is crossed between something being a "risk" and something being "way too much of a risk". There's a certain amount of profitability to keep this party-machine going. Hope that explains things

The totas started the EXACT same thread today lol weird, but true. Anyways I know its still a risk of course but one of my friends mentioned this:

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Originally posted by TranceGrooves London. flights are cheaper from London. Thats where Fila is. And for gigs only Fila travels. Aly sort of stays behind and keeps the dog entertained lolz.

Just a secondhand thought if anyone was considering price.

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I would like to see the NYC dance scene get back to having more resident DJs. Years ago I can remember the resident DJs at Twilo included Carl Cox, PVD, Sven Vath, Anthony Pappa, Deep Dish and Sasha & Digweed. You knew you were going to see PVD, Cox, S & D at least once a month at Twilo and the place was absolutely packed. The lines were around the corner and people would wait 2 or 3 hours sometimes just to get in unless you knew someone.

A couple of events I have been to lately have been great but nothing is like it was. The scene is totally different. It was definitely more like a rave back then and the scene rocked. Personally, I would like to see a few things happen.

1. Get a venue to bring in some big names as their resident DJs. It's what made clubs like Twilo so special. NYC can surely support big name DJs spinning at one club every Friday night.

2. Put some SEATS in the club! It's absolutely amazing that people can't sit down without paying around $400 for just TWO people to sit down. Pacha took out their seating on the main floor which is just plain stupid. You can go downstairs but the vibe is so weak down there and it feels like a lounge. I can go on and on about this subject with every club since they decided VIP was better than the everyday Joe.

3. What is up with the prices in the clubs? People need a small fortune just to go out for the night. 12 dollar drinks and 6 dollar waters. I personally don't drink, but you can easily offset the lower alcohol cost by getting more people in the club or vice versa.

I understand that my ideas might be a little short sighted but IMO the venues themselves are more to blame for the scene right now than anyone else.