i wouldnt really say tobacco clouds judgement...

thats rather effed if you think that.


weed/alc/any # of other drugs might, however

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Originally posted by Psy-T [quote] i drink because i enjoy the taste, if i'd get inebriated by alcohol, i might enjoy that as well.

Which basically means because you enjoy it, which basically means "Oh, I like it..." Is that not so? Oh, and I prefer contact lenses which I wear at the moment. And now I'm off to toke 'because I enjoy it,' in short.

The basis for Tolstoy's position is, "We should follow our conscience, and here is a list of things which are preventing us from doing that"

But Tolstoy doesn't understand what it means to be human. What it means is alluded to on the bumper of the car in front of you.

Looking at that bumper you will see the following symbol ><> (that's a fish :P)

What the fish symbolizes, is the recognition that "The one that got away" has as much value as "the one that didn't", the more that you can appreciate that truth, then the more in tune with nature of the universe you will be.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Which basically means because you enjoy it, which basically means "Oh, I like it..." Is that not so? Oh, and I prefer contact lenses which I wear at the moment. And now I'm off to toke 'because I enjoy it,' in short.

are you trying to irritate me?

i already showed how that simplification is fallacious, at best you can simplify it to "i enjoy it and this is why i enjoy it:...".

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Originally posted by Subey What the fish symbolizes, is the recognition that "The one that got away" has as much value as "the one that didn't"...

I'm infinitely obliged to you, you that I can only attribute to a fantastic queen, with remarkable, purple hair. That is sincere poetry in my eyes and (judging (in retrospect) by the sincere smile hovering about my face. Thank you, and thank you once more. To taste there is no dispute.

Psy-T, I don't maintain that Tolstoy is altogether in the right, but rather take an interest to his argument. In regards to his theory based on conscience per se, I've a similar point of view on a number of things. With your first post, which was as sparing of words as can be, galled me to core because they were devoid of a single point of view, of which you had finally posted later. I wouldn't have been as galled and inclined to argue as much, then.

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Originally posted by Psy-T are you trying to irritate me?

Not particularly, are you trying to imply something here? I'll tell you another thing, I'm certainly not trying to please anyone here. Hope that helps.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Not particularly, are you trying to imply something here? I'll tell you another thing, I'm certainly not trying to please anyone here. Hope that helps.

could i interest you in a homoerotic hug?

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Originally posted by Psy-T could i interest you in a homoerotic hug?

If there's a buxom woman involved in the middle, I'll place my arms around you with even more affection.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred "To doubt this is impossible; everyone knows it. But a need to deceive oneself arises. People are not as anxious that consciousness should work correctly as they are that it should seem to them that what they are doing is right, and they deliberately make use of substances that disturb the proper working of their consciousness." "People drink and smoke, not casually, not from dullness, not to cheer themselves up, not because it is pleasant, but in order to drown the voice of conscience in themselves." "Thanks to self-stupefaction...life does not accord with conscience, so conscience is made to bend to life."

I think Tolstoy is fundamentally wrong. It almost seems as if before he wrote the essay, or even before he arrived at any sort of opinion on the matter, he already had an idea of the nature of the justification he would like to have. In this way his philosophy on the matter is saturated with artistic bias.

After all, what would be a more "beautiful", or in essence artistic explanation of why people drink than the notion in connection with consciense. This is a typical pattern of the tasteless philosophical argument that has cursed philosophy throughout its existence.

The notion of concience is so far removed from the reasons for smoking, drinking, and such it seems absurd to say that any biological and even psychological processes are even remotely governed by it.

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