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Originally posted by bananas I consider timbaland to be genial, doesn't matter if he rips someone's samples n shit, no one had the mind to put all those samples together as he did, he has his own style, and will never be mistaken with someone else. You MUST respect him.

Too bad he's already been caught of stealing here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_T...ism_controversy

with some amazing proof here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2JjPFd7Jr8

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Originally posted by Ishkur Yes they can, yes they will, yes they just did. Deal.

That's like telling a movie critic "You know bad movies can, will, and just did get made. Deal." Ooooookay, and I deal by making fun, reacting, and pointing out the irony that the difference between Timbaland's new song and a progressive trance track in 1999 is 30rpm and some rapper...yet magically Timbaland's version is a hit. And it's on everybody's fucking myspace profile. Lame.

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It's not trance anyway. It's hip hop sampling earlier hip hop.

Wrong. Give me one hip-hop track that's more than 5 years old that has a remote synthesizer with the arpeggiator we've all heard in prog trance anthems 6 years ago. You won't find it anywhere except in trance music. This track does sample earlier hip hop (salt n papa - "push it"), but it's kick, snare, bass & synth (the backbone of the song) all sound hauntingly like they're from a trance track. In fact, when I first heard the song, I thought I was listening to one of those prog trance tracks that breaks down, then starts building up at 100bpm and slowly speeds up towards the 135bpm finish.

Do yourself a favor if you have the capability: take the first 15 seconds of the song and speed it up 130bpm. Then tell me it sampled an earlier hip hop track.

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Despite what your sheltered little perceptive worldview thinks, trance music does not have a monopoly on any sound or gimmick that has ever squeaked out of a synth's rhythm pattern.

Oh jesus fuck a bloody marry. Who claimed that trance monopolizes anything? Yeah that's right I didn't. Your comment is void. Now go eat some Chinese food.

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Hip hop will do whatever the fuck it wants with any music it feels like sampling, like it has since 1972. Just you try to stop it.

I won't try to stop it. I'll make fun of it (and well...enjoy some of it). Let's see hip hop try and stop me.

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Last edited by Jake Benson on May-23-2007 at 18:16

Thing that makes me laugh is that Nelly song that has a trancey sound to it, and the people that love that shit slag off trance at every opportunity they get, hmmmmmm!

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I've been thinkin and I guess my whole point and the irony I'm trying to point out really doesn't apply if:

1. hip-hop evolves and becomes more encompassing as it has been

or

2. This track is not hip-hop (maybe it's "pop" or "dance")


This was just a hot-tempered quick flame I felt like posting because I thought I was funny and witty. Guess I was wrong. I still hate Timbalands new album though. I don't think whatever genre's he was trying to blend together fit right.

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Originally posted by SMC Yeah it sounds just like Timbaland. Yeah Timbaland is a fool, he could easily have made it a trance record, like this one.

LOL... Speed up the first 15 seconds BEFORE the rapping and female vocals start, and loop that. Then link it here. Let's see what we get. And with that other trance track, you have to strip all the decay/reverb/effects like Timbaland did.

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Originally posted by Simcut Thing that makes me laugh is that Nelly song that has a trancey sound to it, and the people that love that shit slag off trance at every opportunity they get, hmmmmmm!

That's what I'm sayin! If these people are gonna dance to Nelly, Timberlake, and Timbaland, at least they can appreciate the genre it sampled.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson That's what I'm sayin! If these people are gonna dance to Nelly, Timberlake, and Timbaland, at least they can appreciate the genre it sampled.

I don't buy that. Who says that a fan of 2Pac - Changes really listens to and/or appreciates Bruce Hornsby? Or that a fan of A Tribe Called Qwest - Can I Kick It? really owns a copy of a Buffalo Springfield album? And those are much more blatant samples.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I don't buy that. Who says that a fan of 2Pac - Changes really listens to and/or appreciates Bruce Hornsby? Or that a fan of A Tribe Called Qwest - Can I Kick It? really owns a copy of a Buffalo Springfield album? And those are much more blatant samples.

Great point! So I can be a fan of trance and not appreciate Timbaland then.

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The last thing I want to happen is the hip hop crowd listening to trance.

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Originally posted by UWM Read the thread lolol.

rolf. whoops.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson That's like telling a movie critic "You know bad movies can, will, and just did get made. Deal."

Timbaland's production being "bad" is your opinion, so the comparison above is invalid. The proper comparison would be "You know movies ripping off/inspired by/similar to other movies can, will, and just did get made. Have an opinion about it." But that wouldn't be exciting enough for you, would it? Since it's not enough for you to say that you don't like Timbaland - The Way I Are, you have to convince us that there is something wrong with it.

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progressive trance track in 1999

I've never heard progressive trance sounding that lame, can you give any examples?

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it's kick, snare

Yes, the four-to-the-floor is found only in trance music.

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snare

Sounds like a clap to me. Anyway, a clap on the backbeat is found only in trance.

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bass

I've never heard a trance track with such sparse bass, a burst of three notes every two bars and occasionally some low notes ON THE BEAT. But what you are saying is of course that trance is the only genre in which the basslines are played with synths.

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synth

Chopping up the notes like that has been done in a lot genres. If anything it sounds like a eurodance line.

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all sound hauntingly like they're from a trance track.

Yeah, hauntingly.

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And with that other trance track, you have to strip all the decay/reverb/effects like Timbaland did.

If i have to remove the aesthetic characteristics of the style (trance) to make it sound like something else and for the similarity to arise, it just proves that you're wrong.

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Originally posted by SMC Timbaland's production being "bad" is your opinion, so the comparison above is invalid. The proper comparison would be "You know movies ripping off/inspired by/similar to other movies can, will, and just did get made. Have an opinion about it." But that wouldn't be exciting enough for you, would it? Since it's not enough for you to say that you don't like Timbaland - The Way I Are, you have to convince us that there is something wrong with it.

Do you ever read critics' reviews of movies where they compare scenes, dialogue, or overall plot to (a) previous movie(s) just like it? If you want to get nick picky, I'm still right. But you're cute for trying. So how is my opinion of a song invalid again?

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I've never heard progressive trance sounding that lame, can you give any examples?

Did you read my original satirical thread-starting post where I specifically said cliche progressive trance? Guess not. Let's not take my satire out of context thanks.

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Yes, the four-to-the-floor is found only in trance music.

Well the combination of that and the specific supersaw "synthesizer with the arpeggiator we've all heard in prog trance anthems 6 years ago." Yup, up until Justin's new album it was only heard in progressive trance.

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Sounds like a clap to me. Anyway, a clap on the backbeat is found only in trance.

Who was arguing against the clap? I didn't argue that. Who are you arguing against now? Strawman?

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I've never heard a trance track with such sparse bass, a burst of three notes every two bars and occasionally some low notes ON THE BEAT.

I'm talking about the arpeggiator. [insert smiley face that says "helloooooo" here]

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But what you are saying is of course that trance is the only genre in which the basslines are played with synths.

Really? Did I say that? Nope. Strawman again. Who is this guy you are talking to?

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Chopping up the notes like that has been done in a lot genres. If anything it sounds like a eurodance line.

Okay. NOW you have a very valid point (and we could argue semantics on this). Eurodance, hi-NRG, dance-pop, trance. Same thing to the untrained ear. But you're right. It's sounds like one of those cheesy eurodance lines you'd hear with a really retarded video to it where some chick is walking through a hallway, then cut to lame club scene, then cut to chick walking through hallway, then cut to lame club scene, then lol diarrhea.

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If i have to remove the aesthetic characteristics of the style (trance) to make it sound like something else and for the similarity to arise, it just proves that you're wrong.

No, those were my conditions in my original post. You didn't prove anything against me. Now go make me some cake.

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Reminds me of how Jay-Z sampled "Rumpshaker" in his song "Show Me What You Got"

I think Timberland was a genius for producing "Sexy Back" which many house DJ's played. Mabye he witnessed that and is trying it again. This could be hit or miss on it being played by house DJ's or it may end up being something new for hip-hop. But the track does smaple the Salt and Pepper - Push it track.


anyways bottom line hip hop is garbage and always will be

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