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Originally posted by ZeJayMan Bartenders or waiting staff won't get paid on tips alone, that's not the system here and I doubt it's the system over there too. Being shamed by a waitress in order to get more tips just doesn't happen over here or at least I've never experienced it.

it isn't the case here, either, but they do get paid a reduced wage, under the assumption that they'll earn some reasonable amount of money from tips.

Also, that rarely happens, and when it does, it often gets someone fired.

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The average wage for fully trained waiting staff over here is just under 12 dollars an hour. With an average of 20-30 dollars worth of tips on busy night it's definetly not a bad way of making money if you can put up with drunken idiots. When I scrubbed shitty toilet pans and cut grass I got paid less and nobody felt the need to tip me.

There's definetly some injustice in that. The onus should be with bar or restaurant that waiting staff shouldn't have to hassle for tips to make a living. If they want more money, sad as it sounds, they should try and get a better paying job.




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OK, I have a little bit of knowledge on this subject given that I have been both cashier, waitress, and bartender.

Cashier - at least here in Ontario, cashiers receive at least the mandatory min. wage, or whatever the employer decides to give them, so long as it is min. wage or higher. You go to them, they do not come to you. They do not hand deliver you anything (other than perhaps a pack of cigs or something, but that doesn't really count).

Waitress - again, here in Ontario, waitress min. wage is a dollar less than the regular min. wage. So if min. wage is $7, a waitress will get $6. Legally you have to claim a MINIMUM of $1/hr worked in tips on your taxes, so you end up having to pay taxes on the tips, no matter how much you made. A lot of restaurants will also require a "tip out" which is a percentage of your total sales (sometimes up to 4% regardless of how much you made in tips). This tip out goes toward kitchen staff, bussers etc. So the waitress loses a large chunk of the tips they get. A waitress of course does a lot of running around, a lot of "waiting on" aka WAITress. Going to a sit down restaurant allows you this privelage. They could easily make it fast food style where you get your own food at the kitchen. Because you receive that courtesy, you are expected to tip.

Bartender - similar to a waitress, a bartender wage is a dollar less than the regular min. wage. Due to a total sale being far less than a meal, a bartender has to serve about 50 drinks to get the amount in tips as a waitress would get for one table. Not to mention, with cash and carry (meaning, no tab being run... paying as you get it) MANY people throw in a quarter or whatever, which is often far less than the 15%. Think about it... a mixed drink is 5 dollars - someone drops a quarter. This is a 5% tip. Again, bartenders are required to claim one dollar per hour on their taxes, whether they make that or not. If a bartender is full time, and you work during the week, or during the day, you could be making $1 per 2 or 3hrs. When they make more, it evens out.

Tipping is shit for both the customer, and the employee. If the employee gets fucked with a shitty tip just because the people are stingy, there is nothing they can do, and that means that they may be making less than the regular min. wage altogether.

One example for me when I got ROYALLY fucked:

I was working on a slow night as a waitress. I had maybe 5 tables in total. TWO of those tables paid via credit, and BOTH happened to forget to add a tip to the credit slip (took the wrong one - customer slip vs. merchant). At the end of the night, I paid out what I owed the restaurant, and then deducted the 3% as my tip out, and I actually ended up with only $7 for myself... for the entire night. Needless to say, I was very upset. My tipout was much higher than I had left over for myself.

EX:

$632 total sales

18.96 (3%)

26.00 total tips
- 18.96
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7 dollars for me

I was pissed off.

Anyway, waitresses and bartenders both go through a lot of bullshit dealing with impatient/asshole/borderline retarded customers, they deal with people "dining and dashing" which they often have to pay for out of their own pockets, and they deal with a lot of harassment. All of this AND they get paid a dollar less an hour. They deserve those tips.

Yes, tipping sucks. I hate tipping too. However, the way our systems are set up, a tip is expected because they assume you know it is part of the cost of the experience. They just happen to be giving YOU the option to choose how much the deserve.

If they took away tips, the cost of your meals/drinks/etc. would go up to pay for the servers wages anyway.

is it me or have i not seen physical appearance mentioned once as criteria for tipping. Seriously...don't you feel a little silly giving the same amount to an ugly girl as one that isn't a total beast.
Even without sex, all customs between the sexes should be applied. Including you not getting desert due to headache/period.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Dunno. Here in Australia hardly anyone tips, ever. It's really not customary.

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Although we don't usually tip in Brazil either, we do pay an extra 10% which is supposedly the waiter's share. That's messed up, though. When you order something that should cost 10 reais, you actually end up paying 11. They should write that on the menu and deal with the waiter's wage themselves.

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I valet so I know what the deal is when it comes to tips

My tip thing is

Valet: atleast 2$ is good because might be more than one valet they are splitting the tips with. Also if you want that front spot no questions asked, throw the valet 5$ or more when you arrive to be valeted

Bartender: I usual give 1$ per drink ordered, eg.. 2 drinks 2$, unless its an open bar. In this situation you tip I would tip 20$ up front and you will not have to wait for another drink the rest of the night.

Waiter: 15-25% of check

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3rd world country tipping?

I'd go over 10 percent if she took me round back and sucked my dick.

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Originally posted by Lira +0.5 Although we don't usually tip in Brazil either, we do pay an extra 10% which is supposedly the waiter's share. That's messed up, though. When you order something that should cost 10 reais, you actually end up paying 11. They should write that on the menu and deal with the waiter's wage themselves.

I actually like the tipping system. It allows you to control just how much you pay for you meal to match what you thought of it. If tips were not allowed, they would have to be factored into the total price anyway. At least this way you have some control over how much you pay.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail I actually like the tipping system. It allows you to control just how much you pay for you meal to match what you thought of it. If tips were not allowed, they would have to be factored into the total price anyway. At least this way you have some control over how much you pay.

hmm... yeah, you do have a point.

The problem is that this 10% seems to be the waiter's wage (I've never really asked them ). Shouldn't the establishment pay the waiting staff their salaries so we could tip as much as we think the service deserves?

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak 3rd world country tipping?

You're confusing me already, mate - are you joking or are you really being hostile about me living in a "3rd world country"? You always sound rude about it

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lira i tell my girlfriends to die in a fire and choke on hell during orgasm...i think im being sarcastic.