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yes.
yes.
it's not either/or
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Indeed, it is not either/or. I do ascribe more importance to situational factors when it comes to their current behavior. Saying that these people are inherently violent is repeating the mistake made many times in the past, for history has seen the slaughter of many 'barbarians'.
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i don't think anyone serious is saying "let's stop them from brainwashing" serious people know it's much more complicated than the simplistic terms you are laying out.
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To the best of my knowledge I can not think of US foreign policy that is more complex than that. Yes, the US blundered into a war in Iraq, bu the first steps it took when reconstructing the country where all wrong. Where were the medical facilities, schools, churches? Where was the support for moderates? Where was the direct aid to families, communities? Instead your government tried to erect an government right away, compromised by people that were inexperienced and wary by years of violent repression. All the plans, all the policies that you're country has directed towards this region have been simplistic. And my point is that this simplicity is caused by a lack of understanding of how poverty, ignorance and desperation have shaped the world view of these people.
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agree, b/c this is about the the ultimate destruction of Israel. this is about pure genocide. in addition, it's about the Arab indifference towards Palestinians and a much broader problem of Islamic fascism and all the garbage that goes along with it.
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That is the easy exit. You accuse me of oversimplifying ideas, and yet here you are saying that the whole problem in the middle east is about the extermination of Israel. This sole idea corroborates my point above. Most of your country's populace have no idea of the complex scenario that has lead to the current problems in the middle east. Note, that even though we are limiting our discussion to the middle east, poverty, hunger and desperation are creating movements such as those present in Palestine in other places. Islam is just a convenient vehicle in a more complex struggle by oppressed people around the world.
As a side note, I will completely acknowledge that there are those on the extreme end i.e. those that are not related to anti oppression movements but hold extreme interpretations of the Koran. I am not however talking about that group of people, but of those that are fighting (as many in palestine) against oppression.
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WE'RE ALL EARS |
Refer to my above post for some ideas. It is a complex situation. I do not deny that some use of force may be useful. The problem is that the use of force is not being followed through with measures that will help empower these people so that they can take charge of they're own future. Direct aid to communities is one route not often travelled. Instead of dishing out money to government or organizations, support could be given to individual communities. Contingencies could be added to particular aid. Educational and medical projects are also of high importance. I do not intend to develop a comprehensive plan on how to solve this situation, as I am neither a citizen or politician of your country. I do believe that there is something to be learned about the circumstances of these people. There is something to be learned in acknowledging they're suffering and the injustice committed by your countries policy's and other country's policies against them.
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At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome |
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