psy kicks your face off whereas goa melts it a bit and pink monkies fly out

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Originally posted by Ste psy kicks your face off whereas goa melts it a bit and pink monkies fly out

LOL!!! Yeah i guess that's it in a nutshell.

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Originally posted by Surfmorworkless Old school Oakenfold like 1994-2002 played GOA stuff in his sets.It sounds very different than anything i've ever heard that was considered Psy trance.Only thing is i know of no new producers that make stuff like that anymore. =(

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Originally posted by Trancefxs http://www.discogs.com/label/Suntrip+Records

Everyone tells me of them.I must check them out.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Today's Psy/Goa is different from early or mid or late-90s Psy/Goa in the same way todays ASOT is different from Ayla back in 97 and Cosmic Baby back in 93.

Yeap, quite fair remark. But goa trance existed not only in 90's, it exists nowadays as well - Filteria, Ka-Sol, Afgin, Radical Distortion and some other are the representatives of nu goa trance. Of course they don't sound like Total Eclipse or Man With No Name or any another 90's goa trance stuff.
What about difference between goa and psy trance - it lies in the name of the second one.
Psychedelic trance in general has ragged structure and a lot of spontaneous, weird sounds and samples that make it rather unpredictable. IMO this is the main difference between psy and goa.
Examples:
Skazi - Super Skazi
Electrypnose - Mario Bross
Astrix - On Fire
Xenomorph - Antimatter
Hallucinogen - Gamma Goblins (Part 2)
Sofiax & KinDzaDza - Kill It

Goa trance sounds more soft, liquid and organic than psy. All the components of the track merge into something indivisible and any of them can't be considered apart from others. Goa trance can't exist without acid samples and basslines in contrast to psychedelic. Well, they can be used in psy too, but not as much as in goa trance.
Examples:
Astral Projection - Dancing Galaxy
Astral Projection - Searching For UFOs
Man With No Name - Vavoom
Juno Reactor - High Energy Protons
Total Eclipse - Aliens
Filteria - Pyrogen
Infinity Project - Hyperspaced (Doof Remix)

Of course there are releases that can't be labeled as "only goa trance" or "only psy trance" and have something from both these subgenres of trance. GMS - Chaos Laboratory (1997), Green Nuns Of The Revolution - Rock Bitch Mafia (1997) are great examples of fusion between these genres. I'm pretty sure that there can be found a lot of such stuff in the late 90's.

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track 1 is from dimension 5 and goes until 2:10. Notice the flow of the track, the melody twisting & turning around your mind, and the acidy influence within.

track 2 is a remix of a protoculture tune and is psytrance. the thicker kick/bass is the first evident thing in many psy tunes, the structure of the track how it breaks down (and a lot of artists who decide to add multiple breakdowns in tunes, or just fuck around with the overall structure which goa hasn't got) and overall fx samples designed to add some of the trippyness it naturally doesn't have.

Obviously as mentioned above, there's differences, but for me personally I find goa to be hypnotic & really 'trancey' and psychedelic just is a different take on more orthodox epic trance, just with it's own beat/bassline etc. Obviously it's not, but hopefully u can hear my point

Faust_UA and Ian, the think is, that, if you noticed, your "Psy" reccomendations were most (if not all) coming from post-millenium artists, and the sound that you suggest as "Psy" is what i call the more full-on post-millenium iron-trance which wasn't so evident in the 90s(or i think didn't exist at all...perhaps Ololiuqui was somehow close but...). What you propose as a strict universal goa-psy difference is nothing more then the one and only genre's revolution in time, branching in various directions and sounds IMO.



Faust_UA, i don't think that Hallucinogen fit well with Astrix, Skazi and Xenomorph, not at all. I can't see how someone can't group Hallucinogen with Total Eclipse and Man With No Name since they had an almost identical sound back in the day! They were almost always featured in each Psy/Goa compilation with those names anyway. Have you heard Hallucinogen's "Twisted" album? Its full of layers and acid-lines and lead-lines and everything. Ofcourse every artist has his/her/their own style. Astral Projection's sound is full of dynamic illuminating cosmic lead-lines, other is more darker and mid-paced like Transwave, and other still is more spacey and "psychedelic" ( like Hallucinogen). Another distinction that i liked more then the Psy/Goa was betwen Israeli more illuminating "Morning" (Astral projection, MFG, Miranda) sound (which was not only Israeli ofcourse) and the European darker "night" sound (Total Eclipse, Juno Reactor, Transwave) but this was very broad and not strict (many artists had some of both).


What i try to say, is the music that you suggest as "Psy", wasn't so evident back in the day, or didn't exist at all. It was the one and only sound, only infused with various ideas and different textures. Thats what made this sound distinctive. Its unity and diversity through-out the world. Not that it matters after a few mushrooms (I don't do that stuff!) or a few hours of this music alone by the way...

All psy has exactly the same bassline.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J All psy has exactly the same bassline.

make it 75-80% and you'd be closer.

Well obviously not literally all, but if you put together all the tracks with the psy bassline you'll be able to see what they have in common.

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Originally posted by Ian make it 75-80% and you'd be closer.

Nothing wrong with that. I love how the tune is in the melody.

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