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Originally posted by venomX Jesus, are you blind? Have problems reading? There are no problems with vaccinations that can be addressed immediately. What problems should be addressed? Enlighten us, please. I was sure that I pointed out that no research links vaccinations with negative outcomes. The ones that occur due to vaccinations are out of the medical communities control. There is no way of knowing which child might have a potentially aversive reaction to vaccines because those cases are ridiculously rare. Now, do me a favor, state what problems should be addressed and back them with hard evidence of a casual connection between vaccination an those programs. If not, shut up, you might end up confusing other people about what the real dangers of vaccination are.

I am no scientist with a degree. But there's enough evidence, "coincidences" to suggest that there's unnecessary ingredients in some vaccinations that are dangerous to children. Its just not your child, so you dont care. If it happened to your child, like it happened to my youngest brother, what would you do and what would you think? So I know what I am talking about here. There's a lot of crap added to own every day lives that are dangerous to our health and well-being, for example, fluoridation / chlorination of our water supplies, genetically modified foods, pollution of air and water, pathogens, etc. and on and on. Vaccines and their effects on young children need to be carefully studied. Which is not done at all. it is known for a fact that vaccinations have a brutal effect on some children. But what is being done about it???

Anyhow, you can continue living in your own happy ignorant world, because you would never care unless it happened to your own family. But by then it would be too late, wouldn't it? Thats ignorance. Ignorance is bliss, right?

We need vaccines against these diseases, but immediate research is neccessary to do whatever is neccessary to make these vaccines 100 percent secure for our children. Because I think they can be.

It didnt take me long enough to find some good links on the internet about the dangerous chemicals added to the vaccinations:

http://www.halexandria.org/dward050.htm

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Vaccines are purported to be one of the real wonders of modern medicine -- nipping in the bud a disease before it even thinks about causing a problem. Thus the advocates of vaccines claim responsibility for saving lives, alleviating pain and suffering, and so forth and so on -- until you need a vaccine for the stomach nausea induced by the claims. As it turns out, however, the evidence is becoming increasingly clear that any imagined beneficial effects of vaccines have been overshadowed by the detrimental effects. This lack of awareness of such overshadowing is caused in large measure by the greed of pharmaceutical companies, various Medical Organizations, and, of course, their happy co-conspirators in the Media and government(s). There is, for example, mounting evidence that vaccinations are one of the causes of autism. This alarming development may be the result of not so much the vaccines themselves, but the cumulative effect of some very potent drugs, many of them using thimerosol, a mercury toxin, as preservatives. The horrific aspect of the problem is that it’s the children -- the ones who are having no choice with respect to their own behalf in being vaccinated -- who are receiving the brunt end of the vaccine plague. The odds are that any given child will never experience an obvious, serious reaction to a vaccination. Or be struck by lightning. Yet it is happening more and more often -- and much more frequently then anyone being struck by lightning. Furthermore, young children with fragile immune systems are at high risk for adverse reactions to vaccines. On a more fundamental level, their immune systems are in fact being compromised, but any negative effects which do arise, are being diagnosed as something else -- anything else -- other than that due to a vaccine. And perhaps not for years after the vaccination. The book, What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Childhood Vaccinations [Warner Books] provides an extensive and sometimes disconcerting background on vaccines and their administration in the United States. Written by Dr. Stephanie Cave, a Baton Rouge, Louisiana family practitioner specializing in treatment of children with autism and ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder), the book provides guidelines for minimizing risks. Dr. Cave examines the unprecedented increase in childhood-onset disabilities and the acceleration of immunizations to children, and calls for additional research into the likely connection between these two factors. It is noteworthy that Cave does not advocate a ban on vaccines, nor does she recommend parents stop vaccinating their children. She does, however, encourage parents to become educated about the vaccines and their options for changing the schedule, dosages and frequency of some vaccines and for the parents to question the necessity of others. Dr. Cave is not a lone voice crying in the wilderness. One leading national physician organization formally called for a moratorium on all government Mandated Vaccines and passed a resolution to that end at their annual meeting. This resolution by the Members of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) was passed without a single “no” vote. (The resolution and an accompanying mandatory vaccine fact sheet is posted at www.aapsonline.org.) Jane M. Orient, MD, AAPS Executive Director, said, “Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren’t necessary or that have very limited benefits.” But she also clarified that, “This is not a vote against vaccines. This resolution only attempts to halt blanket vaccine mandates by government agencies and school districts that give no consideration for the rights of the parents or the individual medical condition of the child.” In noting the problem, it has been observed that forty two states have policies which insure Mandatory Vaccines, and thus many children are required to have as many as 22 shots before first grade. Also, as a condition for school attendance, many school districts require vaccination for diseases such as hepatitis B -- primarily an adult disease, usually spread by multiple sex partners, drug abuse or an occupation with exposure to blood. And yet, children under the age of 14 are three times more likely to suffer adverse effects -- including death -- following the hepatitis B vaccine, than to catch the disease itself. At one point, students in Utica, New York were sent home from school, and told they could not return until they had been received hepatitis B vaccinations. Furthermore, parents were then threatened by Child Protective Services with possible seizure of their children based on ‘educational neglect.’ “It’s obscene to threaten to seize a child just because his parents refuse medical treatment that is obviously unnecessary and perhaps even dangerous,” said Dr. Orient. “AAPS believes that parents, with the advice of their doctors, should make decisions about their children’s medical care -- not government bureaucrats. This Resolution affirms that position.” The aspect of Mercury in Childhood Vaccines is perhaps the most horrific of problems, in that not only does the vaccine additive potentially cause autism and neurological damage, but there is some evidence that the United States Federal Government knew about the negative possibilities and thereafter simply ignored them -- ostensibly for profit for certain corporations and other indefensible motives. The problem is, however, much larger than childhood inoculations. Now, predicated on 9-11-2001, the United States government wants to vaccinate everyone against Smallpox. The fact is the vaccine might cause thousands of unnecessary deaths due to negative Drug Reactions, and that furthermore, the smallpox vaccine is likely: 1) ineffective against any strain of smallpox which might be used as a weapon, 2) unvaccinated individuals would not infect vaccinated individuals, and 3) there is an implied assumption that the vaccinations are any good to begin with! These 3 facts are basically irrefutable, and we haven’t even begun to consider the issue of inalienable rights, freedoms, or the question of an individual’s right/responsibility to choose their medicine in accordance with the basic tenets of Health and Responsibility. One might ask how anyone pushing for mandatory vaccines can justify forcing those who don’t want the vaccine, on the basis they might infect vaccinated individuals! If the latter were vaccinated, why are they suddenly at risk? How does the government get around the negatives of a mandated smallpox vaccination? Simply by the use of fear. For example, according to Peter Jahrling, principle scientific advisor to the United States Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), “I don’t think there is any higher biological threat to this nation than smallpox.” This statement may actually be true, but it does not say that vaccinations -- mandated or otherwise -- will do anything but make the drug companies richer. Smallpox is, admittedly, a deadly disease, and a potentially extremely potent weapon of war. The relevant question yet to be answered is the validity of the mandated vaccination programs. At the heart of the vaccine issue, however, is the question of whether or not any vaccine is beneficial! Can we trust anything the pharmaceutical companies, the medical Cartels, the government co-conspirators, or anyone else who advocates the use of vaccines? When there are apparent connections between Vaccines and Aids to the degree the vaccines themselves may have been responsible for initiating the AIDS pan-epidemic, one must stop and question authority like it’s never been questioned before! There is, in fact, a significant Smallpox Vaccine Resistance movement which is growing faster than some strains of the virus. It’s not like the resistance does not have adequate, rational arguments! When one considers the flaws in Vaccine Research and some of the Smallpox Vaccine Results, it’s a wonder that any vaccines are every approved, accepted, tolerated, or given any more credence than the worst snake oil prescriptions. One part of the so-called resistance movement -- resistance to vaccination as opposed to reduced resistance because of the vaccine -- is that one website is devoting itself to the issue. <http://www.vaccinationdebate.com> has provided the first of a very long list of points to be considered with respect to vaccines. The site also include graphs which show even more clearly the truth of the matter. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Ian Sinclair has provided a series of bullet reports under the heading of: Historical Facts Exposing the Dangers and Ineffectiveness of Vaccines · In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. [The Hadwen Documents] · In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. [Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen] · In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus, which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. [Medical Journal of Australia, March 17, 1973, p555.] · In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organization after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. [Dr. H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990] · In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. [Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK] · In the 1970's a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. [The Lancet, January 1980, p73.] · In 1977, Dr. Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. [Science, April 4, 1977, “Abstracts”.] · In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. [The People's Doctor, Dr. R Mendelsohn] · In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! [British Medical Journal, 283:696-697, 1981] · The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine. · In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. [The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld] · In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. [The Lancet, September 21, 1991.] · In 1990, a UK survey involving 598 doctors revealed that over 50% of them refused to have the Hepatitis B vaccine despite belonging to the high risk group urged to be vaccinated. [British Medical Journal, January 27, 1990.] · In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated “Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children.” [Journal of the American Medical Association, JAMA, November 21, 1990.] · In the USA, from July 1990 to November 1993, the US Food and Drug Administration counted a total of 54,072 adverse reactions following vaccination. The FDA admitted that this number represented only 10% of the real total, because most doctors were refusing to report vaccine injuries. I.e., adverse reactions for this period exceeded half a million! [National Vaccine Information Centre, March 2, 1994.] · In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated. · On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single “no” vote. [Report by Michael Devitt] [See also, Mandatory Vaccines.] · Aspartame, which is used by 2/3rds of the population, interacts with vaccines.

READ THIS:

http://www.jrussellshealth.com/immune.html

Are those people that crazy? Are they making it all up? I mean, come on, you guys are all just laughing away at my poor youngest brother.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=56090

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The dark side of vaccines -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: June 12, 2007 1:00 a.m. Eastern It wasn't until right after the little girl had received her third and final pertussis shot that all hell broke loose. One of five children in a Christian homeschooling family I know well, the child suffered an extreme and life-altering reaction to the common childhood vaccine. Today, perhaps 15 years later, her family's life largely revolves around taking care of the now-teenage girl, confined to a wheelchair, unable to speak, her life decimated by a "required" vaccine shot. Indeed, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, part of the federal Department of Health and Human Services, was set up years ago to pay for the care of just such vaccine-injured Americans. If you or your child suffers from anaphylactic shock or brachial neuritis as a result of getting any tetanus-toxoid-containing vaccine, you're eligible. Develop encephalopathy – literally, disease of the brain – from pertussis antigen-containing vaccines, or from measles, mumps and rubella virus-containing vaccines, and you qualify. What about chronic arthritis from rubella virus-containing vaccines, or a vaccine-strain measles viral infection from a measles virus-containing vaccine? What about contracting paralytic polio or vaccine-strain polio viral infection from a polio live virus-containing vaccine, or intussusception (prolapsed intestine) from vaccines containing live, oral, rhesus-based rotavirus? These are just some of the vaccine-caused injuries suffered by Americans, conditions quietly being cared for with federal dollars. To report journalistically on vaccination controversies is a real challenge. On one side you have the medical establishment, including the federal government's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which endlessly repeats the mantra that vaccines are safe and effective and everybody should get them. To question their wisdom makes you a paranoid conspiracy theorist. On the other hand, you have a substantial and growing movement of skeptics, including many medical professionals, who openly question vaccines. Some are strident, claiming all vaccines are bad for all people at all times and places, and a few even impute a sinister motive to vaccine manufacturers and the doctors that give the shots. But many others are careful and nuanced and very well informed. They consider each vaccine individually on its merits as well as its known and suspected negatives – and still come out holding up a big "caution" sign. For years, the vaccine debate was confined largely to the traditional childhood vaccines like DPT (diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus), MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) and polio. Even then, there were major concerns. The pertussis vaccine, for example, is notorious for having rare but horrendous side effects, and most polio cases in the world in recent years have been caused by the live-virus vaccine itself! These are widely known facts the CDC will not contradict – although it certainly doesn't go out of its way to advertise the dark side of vaccines. (The U.S. government stopped using the live-virus polio vaccine in 2000 because of the incidents of vaccine-related polio, the last U.S. case of which was documented in 1999.) But in recent times, many new childhood vaccines have been introduced, from rotavirus and chickenpox to hepatitis B, meningitis and pneumonia, each with their own controversies and, in some cases, scandals. At first, the new vaccines are just ''suggested,'' then they became ''recommended" by pediatricians, and before long they're ''required'' before entering public school. As a result of all this vaccine-mania: Right now, state after state is attempting literally to force young, prepubescent school-girls into getting a brand-new vaccine, with an unproven safety record, to prevent a sexually transmitted form of cancer. The manufacturer, pharmaceutical giant Merck, has lobbied state politicians to make their vaccine mandatory. It is as though we assume all these girls will act like prostitutes in a few years. (Indeed, one can easily argue that forcing girls to take this shot would serve to encourage risky and immoral sexual behavior, as they might feel protected from the consequences of such activity.) Surprise, two weeks ago WND reported at least three deaths and more than 1,600 adverse reactions including spontaneous abortion and paralysis have already been connected to the Merck vaccine, called Gardasil. There's major movement toward an AIDS vaccine. Once approved by the government, will there be another push like the current one to immunize schoolgirls against a sexually transmitted disease, only this time to mandate the AIDS vaccine for everybody? Despite publicity to the contrary, the controversial mercury-based vaccine preservative Thimerosal – thought by some researchers to be linked to rising levels of autism in the U.S. – is still used in some vaccines. WND has documented the forced vaccination of a newborn against a sexually transmitted disease, despite the parents' strenuous objections, with armed guards present to ensure the infant's inoculation. Can vaccines cause cancer? Between 1955 and 1963, some 10 to 30 million Americans received polio shots tainted with Simian virus 40, or SV40, a monkey virus now known to be associated with certain forms of cancer in humans. Sound too bizarre and conspiratorial to believe? You can read it right here on the website of the federal government's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Then there's the U.S. military, which compels soldiers to get multiple vaccinations. Some experts, citing compelling evidence, blame the military's anthrax shots for the epidemic dubbed "Gulf War Syndrome." Despite all the negatives, the subject of vaccines is not black and white, although both sides in the controversy tend to make the issue sound that way. The truth is, vaccines have saved countless lives. They also have a history of disastrous side effects and suspected or proven dangers – a dark downside utterly covered up by the public health establishment. So, I'm not going to advise you that "Vaccines A, B and C are bad – don't get them. Vaccines D and E are good – get them." Rather, the purpose of this column is to begin to expose you to the rest of the vaccine story – the part you never hear about from other media. An unfortunate mindset permeates the medical world (and elsewhere) with the message that citizens are either too ignorant, uneducated or just plain dumb to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. Yet this is one area where each of us must do just that. If you have young children, you need to research for yourself the subject of vaccines and look at each on its merits. For instance, many will tell you the vaccine to regard with the most suspicion would be pertussis, due to the disastrous outcome that sometimes results. On the other end of the spectrum, tetanus seems to evoke the least concern about side effects, and to confer the most tangible benefits, especially if you live in a farm area and work with animals. The bottom line is that all of us need to research this subject with an open and critical mind. Vaccine decisions can be difficult, as you attempt to balance the promised benefits with known and suspected negative effects. Along with obtaining good information, we have to consider our particular situation. And intuition also plays a vital role. It's critical to understand clearly that most "health officials" concerned with immunology are not focused on what is best for you and your individual child, but on what they perceive to be the best interests of the population as a whole. And from that macro viewpoint, they strive to maintain what they call the "herd immunity." In other words, if large numbers of people opt out of vaccination, even for the most wholesome and sensible of reasons, the medical establishment will oppose it out of fear that once-eradicated (like smallpox) or near-eradicated (like polio) diseases will come back. And yet, because there are real dangers to vaccines, we owe it to our children, to ourselves and to God to become informed, and then make our decisions based on what is truly right for us, not on other people's notions of what they think serves the collective good. They might well be wrong. Remember, despite the medical establishment's paramount concern over "herd immunity," we are not cattle.

I mean, seriously, how are the common people supposed to show the proof when they have situations like these? Are they supposed to go to doctor's college for 5 years only to find out its ALL GOOD for you? Where's all the research into why some children are getting so destroyed by these vaccinations?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium If it happened to your child, like it happened to my youngest brother, what would you do and what would you think?

BTW, can you elaborate on what specific health problems your brother is going through? just curious

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd BTW, can you elaborate on what specific health problems your brother is going through? just curious

My youngest brother is Level 2 autistic. He's pretty smart though, he can make a 1000 piece puzzle in under 3 hours. He doesnt talk very well, not very social, and talks to himself a lot. He has allergies to dust, to animals, to some nuts, to cut grass, and to penicillin. He does wake himself up every morning at 7am and has been taught successfully to dress himself and brush his teeth. We help him with his lunch and cook for for him. He jumps on trampoline all day long. Very happy kid. As in all autistic kids like him, his social and communication skills are very limited. He can say though the basic things about his day, which is quite fun at times ;-)

Everything else my parents and my brother's instructors would know better about. He goes to a special school and is picked up by special buse every weekday morning. Government pays my parents money every month because of my brother's condition. They keep a close eye on him and call once in a while to check that everything's fine.

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Christ--I can't even turn over all of the pieces in 3 hours.

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Originally posted by Shakka Christ--I can't even turn over all of the pieces in 3 hours.

LOL ... me neither. It took me almost 3 days to make the same 1000 piece puzzle. I notice that autistic kids are very smart in other areas non-autistic people are not good at. My brother also can do amazing things with Lego. I mean amazing. The special school is trying to set him up so that he can live on his own with little supervision i.e. cook, work skills, social skills, shopping, laws, etc. He's doing pretty well though. He is never angry or anything like that. I think his brain is very mathematical, judging by his skills with lego, puzzles and video games. Oh yeah, he is so good at his oldskool Nintendo, I cant even beat him anymore ;-) And I'm pretty good I have to admit.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium LOL ... me neither. It took me almost 3 days to make the same 1000 piece puzzle. I notice that autistic kids are very smart in other areas non-autistic people are not good at. My brother also can do amazing things with Lego. I mean amazing. The special school is trying to set him up so that he can live on his own with little supervision i.e. cook, work skills, social skills, shopping, laws, etc. He's doing pretty well though. He is never angry or anything like that. I think his brain is very mathematical, judging by his skills with lego, puzzles and video games. Oh yeah, he is so good at his oldskool Nintendo, I cant even beat him anymore ;-) And I'm pretty good I have to admit.

Yes, it is quite amazing what hidden talents they have.

Good luck with your brother's independence!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I am no scientist with a degree. But there's enough evidence, "coincidences" to suggest that there's unnecessary ingredients in some vaccinations that are dangerous to children. Its just not your child, so you dont care. If it happened to your child, like it happened to my youngest brother, what would you do and what would you think? So I know what I am talking about here. There's a lot of crap added to own every day lives that are dangerous to our health and well-being, for example, fluoridation / chlorination of our water supplies, genetically modified foods, pollution of air and water, pathogens, etc. and on and on. Vaccines and their effects on young children need to be carefully studied. Which is not done at all. it is known for a fact that vaccinations have a brutal effect on some children. But what is being done about it??? Anyhow, you can continue living in your own happy ignorant world, because you would never care unless it happened to your own family. But by then it would be too late, wouldn't it? Thats ignorance. Ignorance is bliss, right? We need vaccines against these diseases, but immediate research is neccessary to do whatever is neccessary to make these vaccines 100 percent secure for our children. Because I think they can be. It didnt take me long enough to find some good links on the internet about the dangerous chemicals added to the vaccinations: http://www.halexandria.org/dward050.htm

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Halexandria is a Synthesis of new physics, sacred geometry, ancient and modern history, multiple universes & realities, consciousness, the Ha Qabala and ORME, extraterrestrials, corporate rule and politics, law, order and entropy, trial by jury, astronomy, monetary policy, scientific anomalies, religion and spirituality, and a whole host of other subjects ranging from astrology and astrophysics to superstrings and sonoluminesence to biblical and geologic histories to numerology, the Tarot, and creating your own reality.

From your source. That's my first problem with it.

Second, most of the dangerous vaccines it lists are not used anymore. It shows that the medical community responds appropriately when there are real threats. If there is a 1 in 100,000 chance of someone having an adverse reaction you truly believe it merits dropping that cure? Specially if there is no better cure.

Now, I agree that we need oversight, we need to be informed and we need to constantly improve. The best answer right now are vaccines and that is indisputable. Last time this subject popped up I did research trying to prove that vaccines cause severe disability. You know what I came up with? Nothing. Sadly I wasn't looking at Halexandria or some other very reputable site. I went more mainstream, you know to medical journals.

I would break down that paper point per point, but I don't think it's necessary. You've already included this subject along with the aliens and other such conspiracies.

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READ THIS: http://www.jrussellshealth.com/immune.html Are those people that crazy? Are they making it all up? I mean, come on, you guys are all just laughing away at my poor youngest brother. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=56090 I mean, seriously, how are the common people supposed to show the proof when they have situations like these? Are they supposed to go to doctor's college for 5 years only to find out its ALL GOOD for you? Where's all the research into why some children are getting so destroyed by these vaccinations?

Your second source is equally unbiased. Apparently the writer had vaccine shots and had allergic reactions. Mind you she did not end up being disabled. Her health deteriorated as she went to Korea during the war. Well, no that its a tropical country with diseases and weather she hasn't been exposed to, but heck you know, its probably the vaccines.

At any rate, these papers don't show there's a casual link. All they show is what I have been saying for a while now. There are a small amount of cases where people have adverse reactions to vaccines. Sure, we should press the doctors and researchers to find better cures, but as it stands vaccination is the best alternative. Not vaccinating your child is irresponsible. First, your child has a larger chance of contracting a life threatening disease when not vaccinated than having an adverse reaction to a vaccine. Second, that little phrase, herd immunity. The only reason disease for which vaccines exist are occurring regularly in the wild is because of herd immunity. It's funny how people forget that before vaccines children were prone to die before there 10th birthday. Herd immunity is important. We may not be a herd, but we are a group of animals and herd immunity still applies. Therefore, it is extremely irresponsible to think that it is just you're child you are affecting. Not vaccinating, yourself or your child, is contributing to the potential spreading of infectious diseases. I don't know you, but I personally would rather keep polio, TB, hepatitis, measles, rubeola, mumps and other such diseases from gaining strength and starting killing off people. Before vaccines, many of us would have died during childhood. Create all the conspiracy theories you want, the bottom line is vaccinating is better than not vaccinating.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

As a side note, not to bash your little brother, on average autistic kids are mentally retarded. Kids that have autism and special abilities are a minority and are rare. About 10% of autistic kids are savants, i.e. really good at some particular skill. Autism does entail lack of social skills, but does not entail compensation in other areas. Just because someone is autistic does not mean they will have some extraordinary ability.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

Well, thats the thing, you wont find the article we are both looking for because if it was out there it would be big news. But yes, you are right, we need vaccinations. It does need to be tight and very public / regulated so that people know all about its effects. Some vaccines and their ingredients are questionable, but its true, parents can be rightfully held negligent for not vaccinating their kids. But we shouldn't force it and make laws making ALL vaccinations mandatory. Some are just too dangerous and unneccessary. Its a risk, for sure. The positive note is that the chances it will affect kids very negatively are very low (for most vaccines). But not enough. Hopefully, and soon, vaccinations will become more and more safer for our children. Its just a shame something, likely vaccination, created so many problems for my youngest brother. Never before in my family line. Never.

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BUMP!


Issues of autism ... I've already been linking the rise of autism some time ago, I thought about it back in 1999 for the first time, in my research I compared to the rise in the use of powerful chemicals, vaccines and other crap.

I know they say its hard to prove this 'n that, but most people know better. There's only one thing thats evidence about autism - reactions of young children to chemicals and vaccines. I have no doubt these play a huge role. Probably the primary role. Wait till this becomes a "fact" and autistic families go on a suing frenzy, rightfully. Maybe reading about my youngest brother's autistic history will shed some light on the problem.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium BUMP! Issues of autism ... I've already been linking the rise of autism some time ago, I thought about it back in 1999 for the first time, in my research I compared to the rise in the use of powerful chemicals, vaccines and other crap. I know they say its hard to prove this 'n that, but most people know better. There's only one thing thats evidence about autism - reactions of young children to chemicals and vaccines. I have no doubt these play a huge role. Probably the primary role. Wait till this becomes a "fact" and autistic families go on a suing frenzy, rightfully. Maybe reading about my youngest brother's autistic history will shed some light on the problem.

What the crap, I am pretty sure I have been able to prove over and over again that Autism IS NOT linked to vaccines. There is no evidence for this. I am sorry about your brother, but the truth is Autism has been around way before vaccines, we still don't know what causes it, there are tons of theories involving genetic components and things in the environment. NONE of them, except the unsubstantiated ones such as yours, involve vaccines. Seriously, stop spreading lies on such serious subjects as vaccinating children. You and your brethren will cause more deaths than save children from getting autism.

Show us the proof, and then we'll believe. People are already looking into this and many have already looked and found nothing.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome