quote:

Originally posted by Ryan0751 Regardless, all these pitch arguments are usually made by people who can't beatmatch and blame the equipment for their lack of skill.

and people who make blind staments like this are just bitter.
and btw. this is not an argument, we are stating FACTS about TTs.

___________________
Digweed is not from this planet.

The fact that TT's aren't as accurate as CDJ's regarding pitch that is...

CDJ's are more accurate
TT's are theoretically more PRECISE, but realistically are not due to physical limitations.

Listen to old mixes by really renowned DJ's, they drift on TT's. If they are so super precise and perfect, why aren't they making perfect mixes?

quote:

Originally posted by hooj1 and people who make blind staments like this are just bitter. and btw. this is not an argument, we are stating FACTS about TTs.

quote:

I also get very worried when people start bringing maths in to beatmatching conversations, because you, as a "DJ" should be able to fucking beatmatch, without a sodding calculator.

who mentioned a 'sodding calculator'?


the point was that after a while you just know instinctively through simple mathematic relationships how much to pitch it

just like a chef knows the ratios between ingredients after making food for a while


if you have to use only your ears every time then you must not have much experience deejaying, because pitching becomes second nature

Some things to add:

1) BPM Counters (while not always reliable) cut your beatmatching time down by a relatively significant margin (depending on your skill level). By being able to roughly match up the bpms right off the start, you're automaticly within roughly +/-0.8% of being beatmatched. Peace of cake from that point.

2) Cueing. the cueing feature on cdjs makes beatmatching so much faster then vinyl its not even funny. re-cueing is instant rather then a several second process.

I gues these two points don't really prove that cdj1000s make beatmatching easier, but it does make it faster which in my mind, will make it easier as well.

quote:

Originally posted by nefardec who mentioned a 'sodding calculator'? the point was that after a while you just know instinctively through simple mathematic relationships how much to pitch it just like a chef knows the ratios between ingredients after making food for a while if you have to use only your ears every time then you must not have much experience deejaying, because pitching becomes second nature

wise words, second that

and basically all tracks in electronic music run at a whole-numbered bpm

Can the Pioneer CDj 1000 make beat matching easier?
in my opinion with the display and bpm counter they actually do compared to vinyl
but then on the other hand, with a bit of practice it doesn't really matter, as beatmatching get's like the most common thing to do...

edit:

djemm got a good point with cueing too, but that comes with all cdjs, the process of beatmatching is the same on e.g. cdj100 and a cdj1000 mk3, the technology itself on the pricier ones isn't more accurate

___________________
"wikipedia is the best thing ever, anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject... so you know you are getting the best possible information."

quote:

Originally posted by Ryan0751 Listen to old mixes by really renowned DJ's, they drift on TT's. If they are so super precise and perfect, why aren't they making perfect mixes?

ummm, thats because they're not perfect DJs. Renowned DJs still drift on CDJs, so your argument holds no water.

i've also seen Digweed throw down perfect mixes on TTs and I've seen him drift on CDJs and vice versa.

but you are right about the fact that CDJs will always hold pitch. thats why its important to have TTs tuned up every so often.

___________________
Digweed is not from this planet.

quote:

Originally posted by Ryan0751 The fact that TT's aren't as accurate as CDJ's regarding pitch that is... CDJ's are more accurate TT's are theoretically more PRECISE, but realistically are not due to physical limitations. Listen to old mixes by really renowned DJ's, they drift on TT's. If they are so super precise and perfect, why aren't they making perfect mixes?

wrong again, with a digital CDJ1000 there's latency involved meaning there is a delay when moving the pitch of a cdj1000

analogue is more accurate than any digital cd player

Wtf, plus the old mixes from back in the day where 10x more accurate, subtle than they are now (majority) (statistic wise). These days we have ableton mixes with warped tempos, which is nonsense

PLus when using analogue you have the original source in physical form, rather in cd version

/end thread

Last edited by Andrømeda on Jun-30-2007 at 06:15

Listen. They're both easier than a slut step sister.

___________________
I've never been able to eat a whole baby.
Kill the women. Eat the children.
It's just one of those days where you want to bend over everyone you know and kiss their ass goodbye with a big sideways boot.

Latest Mix

quote:

Originally posted by Zild Listen. They're both easier than a slut step sister.

agree

Important post here.

___________________
Eyad Allayla - drums cubana - di.fm - tribal house channel - twisted_techy_hooks

Ugh this is just wrong on so many levels.

quote:

Originally posted by Andrømeda wrong again, with a digital CDJ1000 there's latency involved meaning there is a delay when moving the pitch of a cdj1000 analogue is more accurate than any digital cd player Wtf, plus the old mixes from back in the day where 10x more accurate, subtle than they are now (majority) (statistic wise). These days we have ableton mixes with warped tempos, which is nonsense PLus when using analogue you have the original source in physical form, rather in cd version /end thread

quote:

Originally posted by Ryan0751 Ugh this is just wrong on so many levels.

how, prove it

Every CD player that was ever made by man or machine has Latency, proven fact.

/end thread again

i win